Froch Groves 2 Predictions

Took the words from my mouth mate.

I've read comments like.
Smarter
Better ring IQ
Clever boxing brain.

So his so called ring IQ tells him to get into a slugfest with somebody that has never been stopped, and has made a habit out of breaking people down in the later rounds and coming on strong at the death ?

This is what happens when a fighter exceeds his fans expectations in a fight, they start exagerating and and giving far more credit than is due.

 

Will
I've read many of your threads, and you sound like you have half an idea what your talking about (which is unusual on here), but that statement i've highlighted is way off mate.
Froch was loading up and putting it on him, he didn't even bother about telegraphing the shots either, as Groves was bent over trying to defend himself.
Fight was stopped too early, but Froch is a decent finisher, has come from behind many times, and groves was blowing out his arse.
I'm pretty sure the end was close.

 

Agreed. Good post. It looks like Will is letting his personal feelings cloud his judgement.

 

I agree with most of that accept for the key point that froch was landing clean.

Fatigue was a massive fator and groves was blowing, but I have seen him get a second wind in fights before. Also I don't agree that Groves was any more knackered than froch was.

Froches wild shots cause a lot of groves balance issues as they were hitting him side to side and groves was tired.

All the slow mo's etc show the odd 1 or 2 shots from froch landing anywhere near clean. the rest were coving or half blocked.

Appreciate the semi kudos though fella. ;-)

 

The slow mo above shows 4 shots landing clean on groves face.

 

I agree with most of that accept for the key point that froch was landing clean.

Fatigue was a massive fator and groves was blowing, but I have seen him get a second wind in fights before. Also I don't agree that Groves was any more knackered than froch was.

Froches wild shots cause a lot of groves balance issues as they were hitting him side to side and groves was tired.

All the slow mo's etc show the odd 1 or 2 shots from froch landing anywhere near clean. the rest were coving or half blocked.

Appreciate the semi kudos though fella. ;-)

 

Sorry about the muliples, comp playing up.

 

Ok Yoda,

Please direct me to one slow mo replay where groves gets hit clean 4 times.

 

It wasn't just balance issues for Groves, he was clearly hurt and rocked by the time of the stoppage.

 

You don't need to land 100% clean to hurt someone. Tyson used to knock people down with cuffing shots. If a fighter is throwing with enough force and 60-80% of the glove hits the target area, you are likely going to hurt your opponent, if you hit him on the chin, or temple. Groves was getting hit, clean or not, he was getting caught and wobbled.

 

Come on then Yoda,

Point me in the direction of 1 slow mo that shows Froch hitting George clean 4 times.

 

I acutally agree with you Froch didn't land many clean shots in the whole fight.

But isn't that also worrying the few he did causes Groves all sorts of problems.

Compare that to the 50 odd punches landed clean on his chin.

Doesn't that play in groves mind, I landed heavy with about 50 shots and still couldn't put him away

 

You are embarrassing yourself mate

look at the slow mo i directed you to above.

clean right hand to the chin at 00.28 (1) which makes groves sag back to the ropes a bit.

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groves puts his hands up but is open and gets caught with a right hand straight through the open guard at 00.34 (2). watch the video and see the impact on groves head. the punch lands on his face obviously.

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left hand lands at 00.39 and sends groves head spinning in the air (3). watch the video again to see groves head spinning.

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followed by a final right hand at 00.42 (4) which I have provided from 2 different angles.

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Its pretty sad that i had to point this out to you with pictures when you could have watched the video. Goes to show how biased/blind some can be that they can claim that actual punches that landed didn't land but such is the nature of boxing forums I guess. You are arguing with biased people who will overlook facts. The worst kind of poster is Will, a poster who masquerades as an unbiased poster but is as biased as ****.

 

The great thing about this rematch and why it had to happen is that there are soooo many unanswered questions and it's really not easy to predict

Before the first fight pretty much everyone knew that Froch was elite level world champ and Groves barely belonged in a ring with him and was going to get sparked out within the distance - most of us were laughing at his brash predictions and agreeing with Froch that it was a nonesense to think he could even hold his own in there.

The the first round happened and POW - the mighty Froch is laid out on his back with his eyes rolling back in his head and pretty amazingly even managed to make it out the first round. It wasn't just the knock down either - before that happened Groves was winning every exchange, sharper and crisper and winning the battle of the jab. He had better footmovement and was controlling the range and countering everything to perfection.

The knock down was heavy too - it was a knock out worthy blow (combo) and Froch did well to battle on.

8 rounds later and it's pretty much been more of the same - Groves winning every exchange and hurting Froch regularly without managing to score a knock down he clearly won every round.

Now some how at the time of the stoppage Froch was only a round behind on two cards - to me it was clear that he'd lost every round by a distance with the first being a 10-8 so should have been 8-9 rounds down at the time.

So what that fight showed is that Groves is the far slicker, shaper and faster boxing - more skilled and has the power to hurt Froch.

If you take that on face value its easy to just say he's too damn good for Froch and he will walk through him in a rematch and either finally stop him this time or win a very wide points victory.

But these are where the questions arise and why its not as simple as that - Froch did take everything thrown at him and even though it was clearly a poor stoppage he did hurt Groves (who said himself he was "buzzed") so was at least coming back into the fight

We'll never know if he would have gone on to win that fight - but its somewhat impressive that he was even in it still after all the punishment he took, let alone potentially changing the tide.

It's also possible that the ref did an injustice to Froch with the early stoppage - if Froch could have followed up his good work in that road with a few more heavy shots he may well have forced a legit stoppage of his own.

So the exciting thing about the rematch is whether or not the domination Groves put on him was down to his skill set just being too much for Froch or Froch perhaps not being mentally at his best for the fight - maybe he took it too lightly, maybe he thought the kid weren't on his level and it would be an easy nights work.

Maybe the knock down shaped the fight - maybe had Froch avoided that early doors it would have been more even?

We don't know if things will pan out the same - we don't know if Froch or indeed Groves will fight differently.

We don't know if Froch will fight better because he wil be more mentally up for the fight - we don't know if Groves will go for the stoppage harder (and either get it or maybe even get caught sooner) or if he will back peddle and box clever more and conserve his energy for the later rounds (and how this would effect the fight)

We don't know if Froch will eventually get to Groves even if things do play out in a similar fashion on the night.

It's just so difficult to call

One thing we know is BOTH fighters will be more focused on this fight and more up for it than any other of their career

My personally prediction is that Froch is maybe past his best and Groves simply has his number - I think he's too skilled, too fast and has the power to hurt Froch and I think he will win the rematch, that's what I am expecting anyway and I actually think he will become the first man to stop Froch

However there's a reason Froch is still the bookies favourite and it would be foolish to write him off because of how Groves seemed to dominate the first half of the first fight - Froch will be dangerous for every min of every round the fight is on and capable of stopping Groves is Groves gives him the opportunity.

I can't wait - I hoped when I first heard the options for the fight that it would be at Twickenham as the stadium is walking distance to me but when I checked the dates I realised I will be in Vegas then anyway (hopefully a bar will televise it)

My money is on Groves becoming the new champ - but let's be real guys, no one knows what will happen because there are so many factors and that is what makes it such a big and intriging match up

 

Froch will not hit the canvas in this fight.