Froch Groves irony..

Does anyone actually believe Froch or Groves could have beaten GGG......

 

People will probably slate me here but I believe he could have. He chose to go to war with Froch after the knockdown which was wrong and probably naivety. Don't forget he was only 25 at the time and probably saw how Froch was asleep until his arse hit the canvas and thought no one has gave me a prayer but watch this you're getting it.

If he'd have been a bit cuter I think he could have stopped him later or on points. I say this because he was absolutely boxing his head off. He was first with the jab and the right hand couldn't miss. Froch was looking like a shite novice wading in square on. Groves tried to be too macho and as soon as Froch would land the slightest thing he'd stand there and trade with him for 5-10 seconds instead of just countering and moving off which we know he can do brilliantly. I'm not talking like he did v Degale but just be cleverer and Froch would have given him a lot more invitations to get hit than Degale did. Going toe to toe is Froch's game and obviously led to GG tiring. Froch felt this and the tough ******* did what he does best, pulling a victory from somewhere by using grit, determination, and punch power against a far more technically gifted fella.

Who knows what would have happened in the second fight had that shot not have landed I had Groves slightly up but Froch had won the last couple in my opinion. Could have gone either way.

 

I was a neutral in both fights so not biased at all but...

Groves physiology can't beat Froch. He has to be economical with his attacks or he'll gas. He's very explosive.

Froch has more stamina and is less flashy and tough as nails

Groves style doesn't allow for a win unless it's a freak KO. He doesn't have the legs to do 12 hard rds with froch. He will fold rounds 8-12 every time

 

I agree about being economical that's why I think he lost the first fight he went too gung ho after the knock down, failed to stop him and gassed. Fair play to Froch, he's got some balls.

 

Really, you had Groves up before the KO? I seem to remember having Froch winning comfortably before he got the KO and I had £100 on Groves to win that night. To be fair I was watching it in a very busy pub and had a few drinks so maybe my judgement wasn't the best. I'll have to watch that fight back when I get a chance to see if Groves really was in with a chance before the KO.

 

1st fight Groves fought at an amateur pace if it wasn't over in 6 which it wasn't It was a big mistake, heard a lot about him getting tactics perfect etc but it's a 12 round fight and he was all out by 7. You will see time after time if you take amateurs to spar pro's they'll be to sharp early then slowly but surely the tide changes and the wise will only let them do 5 maybe 6 as by 8/9 you get the result from Froch/Groves 1

 

Spot on.

 

Froch retired of his own accord, not because Groves or anyone else ruined him; ergo, it was Carl Froch, and not George Groves, who retired Carl Froch.

 

That's called "The Stanky Leg Defensive Shell", my good man.

 

There just different animals

I'm sure Groves will have stretched his stamina as far as it goes. He's a pro.

Groves is explosive and fragile

Froch is durable and has good stamina.

Groves just doesnt tick enough boxes to beat an elite fighter

In the amateurs Groves would probably whip Froch.

 

The yan

The yanks TV had Groves up aswell you know.

I'd advise to watch it without the Halling and Watt commentary. Watt was biased towards Froch. He seemed a bit too excited and possibly praised Groves too much in the first fight so he'd probably had a warning and told to favour the Matchroom man. That's what me and a couple of lads I spoke to thought about it anyway.

Either way it was close in my opinion, Froch was growing into it but Groves still looked OK with it all until... BOOM!

 

groves will alwaya ultimately think he won, even after getting his hed kicked in twice.

 

to be fair though, cowardzaghe at that time had barely had one fight at smw that counted outside lacy, whereas froch had pascal by that time, so cowardzaghe had zero case (i think he was yet to fight his other smw fight that counted, injured kessler in cardiff).

 

Didn't end or ruin Groves' career imo. Made him money, made him a household name, he has had a title shot since and who knows what the future holds for him (he is still a good age).

I also don't think the Froch fights necessarily took too much out of Groves. He wasn't actually that great before. Remember how many people thought Froch would walk right through him easily? Groves can still improve too, we'll see. Lets wait and see what happens.