Froch lets himself down...

no more dirrell talk the guy is totally irrelvent to boxing

 

Can't be bothered looking through all of this, but this is laughable. Joe Calzaghe would have totally dominated Carl Froch. No doubt in my mind.

I like to see Froch do well, but this sort of **** annoys me about him.

 

Roy Jones at the time was TOP level! That was a prime shot Roy Jones right there. Who still had more athletic ability and skills than most other Light Heavyweights. He was not being dominated in any of his fights, but his durability had badly decreased...resulting in Jones wilting under the pressure of bigger punches.

He totally destroyed, what was left of Jeff Lacy after the Calzaghe fight......and Roy Jones went down to 168/170..? to face Jeff Lacey aswell.

Calzaghe was up for Roy Jones, and was visibly in better shape for the Jones fight than the Hopkins fight. I think it was a fitting ending for Roy Jones to reture on! He fought until the utter end like a complete warrior!

A "Prime Shot Roy Jones" was still a way above normal fighter! These days..? Roy Jones is just shot.

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*****!

 

:smooch

 

Froch is delusional.

 

If you don't give Froch credit for beating Bute then there's not a pissing chance in hell you can give Joe credit for beating Lacy. I hate revisionism. Bute was undefeated, KO'ing people spectacularly and was considered 2nd best in the division. Froch the underdog destroyed him. Sure he's **** out now, but at the time barely any one thought Joe would win.

 

Sounds really shot with all these experts talking

Jones was the #6 LHW who after taking the champ the distance won 3 warm up fights and was challenging again.
Lets remember that Jones, Calzaghe was viewed as a bigger better fight than Hopkins, Pavlik and many predicted Jones to win
Bet you didnt disagree with all these so called experts before the fight
Hindsight is one thing, but look at the facts, the Ring LHW champ beat The Ring #6 in a fight many expected him to lose. It was a big fight at the time but now Calzaghe clearly won, they say Jones was shot

Bernard Hopkins- Former two-division world champion
Fought Joe Calzaghe on April 19, 2008 and lost by split decision
Fought Roy Jones Jr. May 22, 1993 and lost by unanimous decision

“Jones by unanimous decision based on his speed and power.”

Lennox Lewis- Former heavyweight champion
"Jones has unbelievable speed and Calzaghe's never fought anyone like him. Jones likes it when his opponent comes to him and unfortunately for Calzaghe, that's exactly what he does; comes to his opponent and is right in their face. I pick Jones on points, but I think it’ll be a very close fight."

Jeff Lacy- Former IBF super middleweight champion
Fought Joe Calzaghe March 4, 2006 and lost by unanimous decision

“It’s going to be a hard fight to pick. If Jones doesn't stay on the ropes and give Calzaghe angles and lots of movement I'm going to go with Jones by decision. Roy can't stay on the ropes and give Joe the chance to throw his slapping punches. This is a great fight for Jones to win and setup a big money fight again with Hopkins!”

Glen Johnson- Former IBF, IBO and Ring Magazine light heavyweight champion
Fought Roy Jones September 25, 2004 and won by KO in 9th round

“Roy Jones will win. I believe Calzaghe fights an amateur style. He throws a lot of slappy punches. Roy throws much more meaningful punches. In general, Calzaghe will throw more punches than Roy, but Roy’s will be harder hitting. Unless the judges are blind, they will see that the harder punches make Jones the winner. They should see that Roy Jones’ hard-hitting punches make the difference.”

Vernon Forrest - WBC welterweight champion
“Roy Jones is still the best fighter in my era and still arguably one of the best fighters period. Roy with his speed can match Calzaghe, and he has power. So the power and speed is with Roy. Roy by decision.”

Paulie Malignaggi- Former IBF junior welterweight champion.

"It's a hard fight to pick. I thought Calzaghe at first because, but maybe he's too much for Roy right now. But based on what Joe just said about the three Brits beating the three Americans (Calzaghe-Jones, Hatton-Malignaggi, Haye-Barrett), I'm pulling Roy home.....Jones by decision."

Winky Wright- Former world junior middleweight champion

“I think Roy is going to win. I think that his punches are going to be sharper than Calzaghe’s and I think that Roy is a harder puncher. I think it might go all 12 rounds, but if somebody gets stopped I think its Calzaghe late in the fight.”

Dan Rafael- ESPN.com

“Although Calzaghe is the favorite, I think Jones' style and speed -- he's still fast -- are going to give him problems. I think it will be a tough, close fight but I'm going with the upset special. I like Jones to pull it out on a close decision.”

Gordon Marino- Wall Street Journal

”Jones over Calzaghe. This is a fascinating fight. Jones is still quick and with his awkward style and dangerous punching power is able to freeze very active opponents like Calzaghe. I'm picking Jones by a decision.”

Tim Smith- New York Daily News

“Roy Jones has good power and I think that will offset the volume of punches that Calzaghe throws. Calzaghe has a good chin so I don't see him getting knocked out. I like Jones in a decision.”

Franklin McNeil- Newark Star Ledger
“On paper, Calzaghe should not have much difficulty getting by Jones. Calzaghe is a southpaw, and Jones has had his most difficult outings against non-orthodox fighters. And though each man has quite a few miles on his tires, Jones has logged a bit more. The physical edge goes to Calzaghe, but stylistically Jones’ constant movement could prove to be beneficial. If Jones can control the pace, make Calzaghe miss, score with counter shots and his stamina holds up, he will win. Jones wins by decision.”

Bobby Cassidy- Newsday
“I like Roy Jones in the 11th round TKO. Calzaghe does not have the power to keep Jones honest. I think by the second half of the fight Jones will be picking him a part. Calzaghe looked so good against Hopkins because Hopkins didn't have the firepower to slow him down. But Jones has both speed and power. In other fights, Calzaghe has been able to adjust to one of those assets; he won't be able to adjust to both, especially from a fighter like Jones.”

There are were more predictions for Jones against Calzaghe, that picked Jones as a winner.
Although there were many that also picked for Calzaghe the poll on Bunces boxing was said 60% in favour of Jones.

 

WallyC atsch

Reid

Ask yourself this. How could you not score rounds 2, 3, 4,7, 8 (

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), 12 to Calzaghe? Remember Reid had a point deducted also.

I thought like 2 judges that Calzaghe was a clear winner and except for McCrory who scored a draw and later seemed to agree all of the other studio guest scored wide for Calzaghe including Mcguigan and Eubank. I also think damaged handed (damaged his hand in round 4) Calzaghe won and felt he won rounds 1, 9 (Reid did land the punch of the night in round 9 though) & 11.

Good away win for Calzaghe

Reid wouldnt fight Calzaghe when he was champ

Hopkins

I understand that Hopkins is an American legend that people want to see as an iconic figure. America love a reformist and Hopkins as a former armed robber turned world champ is just the story that wins Americas hearts but...

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1. Calzaghe landed more than 100 punches than Hopkins throughout the fight.
2. Contrary to what people want to believe, Calzaghe also made Hopkins miss more
3. All round punch percentages, Calzaghe finished ahead of Hopkins
4. Calzaghe outlanded Hopkins in every round
5. A Byrd who scored for Hopkins it appears has a history for bad scorecards. Type in Adalaide Byrd in Google and see what comes up for yourself, still here are some little things for you to look at
a. A Byrd was the only judge out of the 3 scoring judges that had Mack ahead against Cloud
b. The K Pavlik - A Lopez fight was scored 98-92, 99-91 by the other 2 judges, A Byrd scored it 95-95
c. A Byrd was one of the judges that had Morales a 4 point loser against Maidana
d. In the S Aydin vs S Ouali fight, the other 2 judges scored clearly for Aydin. Byrd scored for Ouali
e. The J Almaraz/C Tyler fight was scored a Maj-Dec all because of one judge, guess which? A Byrd
f. The A DeMarco/J Reyes fight was a SD. Guess who the odd judge out was? A Byrd.
g. The R Torres - M Arnaoutis fight was a close fight, a point either way to 2 judges but a wide result scored by Byrd
h. In the A Pryor Jr/D Stanislavjevic SD, guess who the odd judge out was? You guessed it... A Byrd
i. The W Ferguson/J Lopez SD, guess who the odd judge out was? You guessed it... A Byrd

I think thats enough for you to get the picture with Byrd. Remember the other 2 judges scored clearly for Calzaghe

6. Calzaghe beat Hopkins in America, at a new weight with 3 American judges and Cortez as ref.
7. Calzaghe scored the single highest score card against Hopkins ever 116-111.
8. The 2 judges that scored for Calzaghe agreed on 9 of the rounds
9. Calzaghe landed more on Hopkins than anyone ever.




Now I know there will be a flood of people coming on here noting Hopkins scoring a flash KD in the first round, and I agree that Hopkins did win a few rounds even when he didnt land as often, but people are mad if they think Calzaghe won on workrate, Calzaghe won because he was able to land his left more often than Hopkins could land his right.
Calzaghe finished the stronger and took away the moments Hopkins likes down the stretch.
Other thoughts, If Hopkins thought he was winning, do you think he would have been looking for time out and would bother trying to get points deducted off of Calzaghe, of course he wouldnt, Hopkins knew he was losing.

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Kessler beat Froch coming off a loss, Dirrell looked unlucky to many against Froch and Dirrells big win was Oganov coming in, Some felt Froch lost to Johnson and some say to Pascal. I dont think so there, but thought Froch was lucky against Adamu

 

How long did it take you to copy and paste that same post you've written 1000 times?

 

holy ****ing ****,i gave up half way through

 

You know what Bailey? You win. I can't be bothered to get into this with you again.

Calzaghe is the greatest; Bika is a great win for Joe even though under your criteria he has bever won a world title fight at smw; Peter Manfredo Jr was a top ten smw who Joe needed to fight to get attention stateside, (even though he'd been a titlist for nine years - go figure); Lacy was a greater smw then the likes of Pascal due to his referee assisted mauling of a past it Robin Reid; and most of all, Jones Jr was most definitely not shot despite being sparked in brutal fashion. Twice.

Well done Bailey. Everyone, a round of applause for Bailey. All hail Bailey.

 

Another Froch thread that ends up with discussing Calzaghe.

It's because of Froch's obsession with Joe Calzaghe though, so I guess it's inevitable.

 

I know you have a tendency to scour the whole of the internet, looking to refute criticisms of Joe and his watertight resume, but sometimes it might be a good idea to look at the context in which a post was written. (Hint: Read the post I was replying to). :good