Froch says he has a better legacy then cazaghe

Scar you really are a fool sometimes, just because a fighter isnt American does not mean they are a bum, quite a few decent fighters on Calzaghe's resume would have benifited from the super6 tournament the current elite of the division have had, the division has just had the most publicity it has ever had and i think people are beginning to fall into the trap of overrating the depth of talent in the division as a whole.

 

Scar you are talking out of your arsehole here, i think even you know that Ottke was holding two of the titles hostage for much of Calzaghe's own reign, its even more obvious that despite the fact that Calzaghe had many of his defences in Britian we can safely say that Calzaghe never needed to rely on the judges or the referee to ensure the title didnt change hands. Until 2004 Calzaghe had very little if no opportunity to unify. He beat the former WBA world titlist Mitchell who held that portion of the title during much of the time (99 - 03) before he lost to Ottke anyway. two years after Ottke departed the sport the belts began to make themselves available and Joe promptly unified making you points by and large void.

 

If he beats Bute, I would say that is better than anything Calzaghe has done at 168

Calzaghes controversial win vs Hopkins saves his BAcon....I agree with Froch I thought he was lucky vs Reid and Hopkins....I think Froch is a far more advance but similar fighter to REID....he gives Calzaghe fits

 

Scar, you are aware that Hopkins was offered the fight in 2002 and he turned the fight down or did that conveniently slip your mind? Its also funny how despite Hopkins being perceivably further past it than Calzaghe he has also gone on to record one of his most impressive victories to date. On the other hand Calzaghe promptly went on to cash out against Jones before retiring due to injuries and a lack of interest in the sport, doesnt exactly sound like a fighter who is in their prime like you imply in the above post.

 

Scar, Pudwill was a late replacement, id certainly pick prime Reid and maybe Woodhall over the like of 168lbs Taylor, Abraham and Pascal.

 

You didn't school anyone, if you actually took the time to read the points I made, I state that Calzaghe is a poor stylistic match-up for Froch, Froch couldn't overcome a poor stylistic match-up in Ward, and he wouldn't be able to overcome a poor stylistic match-up in Calzaghe. End of discussion.

The contradictions come where you say that it's all about styles, and that because just because Ward dominated Froch, doesn't maen that Calzaghe would dominate Froch, as you keep stating, it's all about styles.

Then you go ahead and compare Hopkins, RJJ, Salem, Reid and Bika to Froch. Yeah, because they're all similar in styles.

Here's one for you, Jeff Lacy is a significantly better fighter than Kabery Salem, why didn't he have his moments against Calzaghe? :deal

Once again, I've dominated and schooled your paper thin arguments.

Fair enough, so why keep going, you think Froch would have a better chance with Calzaghe, I don't, what more is there to it?

Did I say on the backfoot? No, useless point, again, in response to a comment I never made.

This is gold, you say I don't know **** about boxing, then compare Froch to Morales, and Calzaghe to Pacquaio, as though that's an indicator of how the fight would play out :nut


I stated my three points earlier, and you disagreed with none of them. Comments I made that you disagreed with, I clearly explained to you, and you agreed with what I was saying. As we established before, you have a habit of ignoring what people say, and selectively reading. You make lists of responses to your own interpretations of what people said, then put 'schooled' on the end of it, as though that validates you.

Again, you have your opinions of how a fight between Calzaghe and Froch would go, I have mine, I explained them, and you just keep going off on a tangent, making a list of pointless responses to comments that weren't made.

a few simpletons coming in and saying 'oohh realsoulja is winning because I don't like Joe Calzaghe' doesn't mean **** all haha

That's the end of it, if you disagree so be it, if you're just gonna keep trolling then I can't stop you

 

he definitely has fought the way tougher, much more prime fighters. Noone can ever take that away from him. He has taken on everyone, something Calzaghe would never do.

 

Both were past their physical prime, so you agree on that? Good, I had to make sure.

Calzaghe retired at the right time, before he slipped too far past his best. Fair play to him.

What Hopkins has done has been amazing, but let's not forget that he turned pro later in his life than others. Furthermore, Hopkins was coming off two very good wins against Tarver, Winky Wright, and as I said went on to dominate an undefeated Pavlik, and win the title back from Pascal. What does that tell you?

Some fighters have attributes and styles that allow them to age more gracefully than others, surely you understand this? Hence why a fighter with Calzaghe's style will decline significantly as their physical qualities deteriorate, and a fighter like Hopkins can still compete at the top level going into this forties. Doesn't make Joe a coward, how is it fair to expect these men to fight on past the age of 37? Do you commend RJJ for fighting on way past his prime?

Do we know this? I know that Calzaghe beat Hopkins, in Vegas, and in the process landed the highest number of punches anyone ever has, and recorded the highest scorecard against Hopkins.

Punch statistics

Total thrown (Hopkins/Calzaghe): 468/707

Total landed: 127/232

Percentage landed: 27/33

Jabs thrown: 93/224

Jabs landed: 11/45

Percentage landed: 12/20

Power punches thrown: 375/483

Power punches landed: 116/187

Percentage landed: 31/39


You can have your opinion, personally I felt Joe did enough to win a close fight. Of course Hopkins wanted the rematch more than Calzaghe did, Hopkins lost! atsch

 

Calzaghe by a landslide.... the only place were you`ll get someone ******ed enough to vote for Froch in this one is, well, here on the general... even then I`d still expect the much more hated Calzaghe to win by a bit.

Close thread !

 

tbh you'd need your head seeing to vote Froch on legacy.

Even if they were closer in legacy, Froch isnt even finished, so theres no way you can make a rational vote against him never making it, but the rational vote has to go to Calzaghe's overwhelmingly large number of minor title defences (i mean that the title was a minor one, not the actual fights, a few of them were good matchups).

 

Calzaghe SD12 Hopkins.

 

No one disagrees both were past their physical prime.

But while Hopkins made changes and adapted to his old age, showing versatility and experience, Calzaghe ran away once he felt a little old.

Hopkins goes on to fight two young lions back to back in Pascal and Dawson during his old age, Calzaghe didnt even contemplate on a Pascal or Dawson fight because he knew he dont have nothing like old school fighters like Hopkins, Archie Moore, Morales....Who know how to change and adapt to old age.

Fair play to him, but dont compare Calzaghe to BHop now.

Hopkins was called old back in 2001, and is still here 10 years later schooling young lions.

Calzaghe was called old when he got Knock down by a shot RJJ, around 4 months later, Calzaghe ran away from the sport.

There is no comparison between Calzaghe and Hopkins when it comes to:-

Adapting to old age and using experience to beat young lions.

Calzaghe cant claim such honour that BHop can.

Hopkins turning pro late on in his career has nothing to do with the mans heart and guts to be still in the game.

1. Hopkins is more financially secure than Calzaghe, but still chose to remain in the game, while Calzaghe ran off because he had enough money to buy and sniff coke with.

2. Hopkins has accomplished more than Calzaghe, Hopkins is a legit 2 weight World champion compared to Calzaghe's only being a legit champion at SMW. Still Hopkins decided to remain in the game and further solidify his legacy, while Calzaghe was happy with what he done and ran off.

3. Hopkins hasnt mentioned retirement for a long time, Calzaghe was moaning about retirement after he beat Kessler.
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Hopkins was called to be done when he was 36 and went on to beat Trinidad, he was then called done during the Taylor period, he was then called done before Tarver, then he was called post Calzaghe, then he was called done before Pavlik, then he was called done during his 2nd fight with RJJ, then he was called done when he got knocked down twice vs Pascal,

and now is being called done after his first fight with Dawson.

Hopkins didnt take none of this ****, Calzaghe was called slightly past it after Hopkins schooled him, and Calzaghe ran away from the sport.

I understand this perfectly well.

As a fighter ages, his physical attributes decline, his speed, stamina, power, punch resistance.

During Hopkins physical prime he was a KO artist. But since his physical attributes declined he had to make up for it in:-

- Ring Intelligence
- Use of experience
- Dirty fighting
- Acting skills
- Mental warfare

Calzaghe never did none of this, once Calzaghe felt his physical attributes declining, Calzaghe ran off to dance and sniff coke.

Calzaghe's style was always to throw non stop slaps. He never showed lateral movement, ring intelligence, use of range at the level that Hopkins showed it.

:deal

Hopkins during his younger days never fought like he fights now, that is what makes him such a special fighter.

Calzaghe dont compare to RJJ or Hopkins.

RJJ and Hopkins still in the game making big boy risks whom are financially secure but still like the fight game. ME i am a fight fan so I respect these fighters more.

You consider a slap a punch.

I watched that fight several times, Calzaghe landed the more pitter patter slaps. Hopkins landed the harder cleaner more effective shots.

You like pitter patter so you keep your opinion.
I like hard clean effective solid punches so to me is my opinion.
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When we were discussing Froch and Calzaghe, understand Calzaghe>Froch.

But now we are discussing a living legend like Bernard Hopkins, so you have to realise Hopkins > >>>>>>>>>>>>>.Calzaghe

 

realsouja i think the other guy admittted that Calzaghe didnt have the abilities of Hopkins to adapt.

 

The fact that FROCH is getting almost 30% of the vote shows you how far FROCH has come and how much respect he has earned....if he beats Bute I bet thi snumber rises to 50%....


I thought Froch was nuts when he made a crazy claim pre Pascal....but it doesnt look so Cray now...

I congratulate you CARL FROCH...you did it the hard way (unlike Joe) and more importantly the right WAY!


I mean Can image Frank ****** allowing a WBO belt holder into a Super 6 style tourney....

 

Froch at anytime vs Calzaghe in his prime, would be complete joke. Froch would not even get close to winning a round.