Froch V Cleverly

Cleverly's chin, his punch output and Froch's size are the reason I'd pick Cleverly to pull off the upset.

I don't rate Clev that highly either but I think this is a bad match-up for Froch. He's good against pressure fighters but against one he can't hurt and who will throw a lot more than he does? Not a good match for him. Froch weighs under 168lbs in the week before the fight and could easily make middleweight, I think, so he'd be lacking the physical advantages he has over most guys at 168lbs.

Cleverly UD.

 

If it were to go this year I think Froch would stop him.Anything after say June 2013 I would start to back Clev on points.

 

Froch is better than cClev in nearly every dept imo.

 

Absolute rubbish, mate. It's the other way round.

 

Cleverly fighting the way he does is actually perfect to beat Froch despite being defensively open. Froch isn't a big, big puncher anyway. And even if he was, he needs a lot of extension on his punches to get any sort of power, he doesn't have a short punch. When Cleverly's on his chest he's going to struggle with his speed and output.

 

Hardly.

In what department is Cleverly superior to Froch?

He's easier to hit, his footwork is beyond ****. Aside from being quicker and perhaps slightly better on the inside I think Froch has him covered practically everywhere else.

I really don't get where people dig up this super technical fighter from, he was stood on his head by Bellew for prolonged periods of their fight, looking completely lost at times, he's not the smartest operator by a long chalk.

Whilst I agree that Cleverly's natural style poses Froch problems, I don't think he's actually good enough to beat him. Right style, much like Hatton fought in a similar style to Chavez, just nowhere near as good

If Nathan starts shoe shining like he did on Saturday he'd struggle, plus he's the one fighter that might get hit with one of those uppercuts.

I think Carl's jab would be key here.

 

I don't think Froch's jab has ever been a major factor in any fight bar Abraham who is probably the easiest world class fighter in the world to control from the outside because he has absolutely no footwork of any description and is small at the weight. It was decent in the second half of the Pascal fight but you have to put that into the context of how Pascal has gassed recently, even against a middle aged man he looked the more unfit fighter.

Kessler just walked through him and essentially outworked him to the body and that wasn't especially Mikkel's A game, more a game he's manufacatured through neccessity after inactivity. I think potentially Cleverly could do something similar, its more natural for him than it was for Mikkel, and he'll be able to shoe shine his way to victory.

 

Please lets not talk about it. We can't let Nathan and Allegedly get free marketing. They want to sell a fight between a P4Per and someone who just defended his belt against Karpency.

Last 7 fights:
Froch - Pascal, Taylor, Dirrell, Kessler, Abraham, Johnson, Ward
Cleverly - Fry, Brancalion, Murat, Mohammedi, Kuziemski, Bellew, Karpency

Allegedly loves to do this. We've heard it all before. Remember when Kelly Pavlik was tailor made for James DeGale.

 

Really can't see what Cleverly has to trouble Froch.

A high work rate with not much power? Froch will love that.

Right now Cleverly is nowhere near Froch's level. Bellew has been the best fighter he's faced and he barely won, some even had him losing iirc, and that's euro/brit level. Froch can do whatever Bellew can and better.

Can't see a Cleverly win at all.

 

I think Bellew has more skill than Froch quite frankly. Froch might be better in other areas (namely stamina, physical strength at the weight, chin) but I think Bellew has better textbook skills. His jab was beautiful against Cleverly, better technically than Carl's. Only thing that lets him down is his stamina, its not quite at world class level otherwise he'd have outclassed Nathan handily after dominating early, he couldn't keep it up at that level. I don't think it was a case of Nathan ad******g either, I'm not sure Nathan has many dimensions, it was more a case of Bellew not managing to maintain the same intensity.

 

lets see how clev does a gainst pascal first then :yep

 

Bellew's jab was a beaut but I think Froch has the ability to jab like that. He also has more power, a better chin and he has that stamina to keep it up for 12 rounds.

Not that he would need to fight in the same style to beat Cleverly. To be honest I could see him bulldozing Cleverly.

As you said Nathan doesn't appear to have many dimensions. I'd like to see what happens when he's in trouble and his game plan isn't working.

 

Froch would batter him.

 

Froch would beat Cleverly, really dont rate the lad.

 

Frochs Cv is amazing, but if you watch the fights he can be very sloppy, he doesnt have a great defence and is no where near as slick as his style suggests he should be. I also dont think he is a massive puncher at world level and his power will be diluted when he goes to 175.

At this stage Froch would be favourite but its definately winnable for Cleverley. Again Clev has to get a world level win before this is even entertained.