Froch v Dirrell Data Boxing Stats

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  1. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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    Spot on. I've argued elsewhere on the forums that far more rounds should be scored 10-10 than currently are. Forcing judges to pick a 'winner' of a round where neither fighter has produced much of note at all is what creates large discrepencies between cards. Why is it so bad to say 'neither did anything in that round to deserve to take it, even it is'?
     
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  2. No Fear

    No Fear Well-Known Member Full Member

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    This thread clearly demonstrates the low-brow hysteria I associate with those who cry 'robbery!' in reference to the Froch-Dirrell fight.

    Why let the facts get in the way of a good bit of rabble-rousing, eh?
     
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  3. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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    While I'm not sure I completely credit these stats myself, it is obvious that a lot of the people crying robbery simply did not watch the fight all that closely and probably didn't score it.

    The people delivering reasonable coherent analysis of the fight have tended to conclude that it was (a) a **** fight and (b) a close decision that could have gone either way and (due to the number of close rounds where not much happened) in a fairly large range. My belief is that a range of scores from 7-5 Froch to 8-4 Dirrell are justifiable. As I posted above, I would prefer it to be scored with a number of even rounds, but that is not current convention.

    It is clear that Froch did a lot of work that went under the radar. Given that, it's not really suprising that a ringside judge will come up with a different scorecard to someone sitting in their living room, drinking beer, not actually writing down a round by round score and spending half the fight trying to get an Uzbek man posing as a 17 year old schoolgirl to cam with them on the internet,
     
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  4. Sp_Immortal

    Sp_Immortal Well-Known Member Full Member

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    What facts? There is no such thing as "Data Boxing Stats". There were no official punch stats for Froch v Dirrell.

    Boxrec is a fan created site that can be jacked around with like wikipedia, it's not an authoritative source. Who's the low-brow idiot again?
     
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  5. Sp_Immortal

    Sp_Immortal Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Why is it obvious that a lot of people crying robbery based on bogus punch stats thrown up on the internet? If anything it's obvious that you didn't watch the fight closely if you are willing to credit them enough to post them here

    No the people that like the result regardless of the facts of the actual fight are reduced to begging that it was a close fight when in fact it was not. Dirrell landed far more and far superior shots and won hands down. 8 rounds to 4 is not a close fight.

    How can something be clear and under the radar at the same time? Give me some examples of this under the radar work.
     
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  6. rayhogan

    rayhogan Dont worry Pac, you wont Full Member

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    So you proved that Froch landed more cause you were at the fight? :lol: Man stfu. How can anybody that was there can tell Froch landed more when you at the arena with many Froch fans go nuts whenever Froch throws a punch that mostly didn't land?
     
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  7. Davo-The-Don

    Davo-The-Don Big Swinging Thang Full Member

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    I've always said that if you could have a sensor in a boxing glove that registers a hit (an accelerometer would do the trick) then you could be very accurate with punch stats, lets be honest, most pros have hands so fast it can be almost impossible to see if they are hitting and if so how hard they are hitting. A ringside judge can have access to the live data from each round as it unfolds.
     
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  8. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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    If 2 or more of the rounds that you give to fighter a could easily have been given the other way then, yes, it is a close fight.

    There were at least 8 rounds in Froch v Dirrell that you could give either way. At least. That's why it was a close fight. In fact you could probably make somekind of argument for all 12. Except possibly round 11, and the judges still managed to split on that regardless.
     
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  9. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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    I said it's clear that it passed under the radar. For instance, if you were a radar operator in charge of air defence and spent a quiet night observing no threats then returned home to find your house had been devestated by aerial bombardment then it would be clear that the attackers had managed to come in under the radar. Hope that helps :good
     
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  10. Sp_Immortal

    Sp_Immortal Well-Known Member Full Member

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    No it didn't help at all. Stop making stupid statements and give me an example of Froch's under the radar work if you can. :hi:
     
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  11. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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    Read previous posts. Lots of the punches that Froch landed to the body were not credited by those who were not watching the fight closely.
     
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  12. Sp_Immortal

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    The problem is that there aren't 2 more rounds that could have been given either way.

    I want you to give me two rounds in which Froch outlanded Dirrell in clean punching. If you can't answer the question then I think it should be clear to us both that the fight was not close.
     
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  13. Sp_Immortal

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    So Froch landed some punches to the body? Great example of under the radar work. :lol:

    Yeah I think we got that. He was landing to the body because he was terribly ineffectual at landing to the head. It wasn't nearly enough to win rounds though.
     
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  14. Cobbler

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    You're not exactly disproving the theory that the people who cry robbery didn't watch the fight closely.

    It's a struggle to find two rounds in the fight where either fighter outlanded the other in clean punching. That's exactly why it was so close and so problematical to score.
     
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  15. Sp_Immortal

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    Do you seriously believe that it's hard to find 2 rounds where Dirrell clearly outlanded Froch in clean punching? This is your arguement?
     
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