Froch vs Chavez Jnr

Someone said in here that Froch doesn't move like Sergio Martinez. Which he doesn't....and Chavez got to Sergio Martinez. Yes, he may have been outboxed, but it don't change the fact that he got to an ELITE mover. Froch is neither an ELITE mover, nor is he ELITE skilled. He is just very good and effective at what he can do.

Carl Froch aint as good as people make out, and he aint as awful as some make out, neither is Chavez for that matter, however, both fighters have similar cojones, and it would make for a good fight. One that could go either way, but one I feel ends in KO/TKO either way.

 

Why does Froch need to move to beat Chavez? He can stand in front of him and win the fight comfortably in my opinion. What has Chavez ever done to make anyone think he is even in with a slim chance of moving up in weight to beat a top world level fighter? His best win is against Andy Lee who is distinctly average and even he made Chavez look clueless the first few rounds. Aside from that he got absolutely battered by Martinez for 11 rounds, he only even managed to put Sergio down because Sergio tried to fight him toe to toe for that round and was so tired he fell through the ropes and got stuck which was when Chavez landed the big shot. Had he stayed on his feet and boxed clever it would have been a 12 round humiliation but that one punch landed through luck suddenly makes everyone think he is some huge dangerous puncher.

Also take in to account that a Chavez that only has to get down to 168 won't rehydrate as quickly as a 160 Chavez too. Froch just ends him, any which way you look at it he gets beaten up, a 65% KO ratio with his size difference over opponents does NOT make Chavez a big puncher either!

BTW Craney you don't hide your dislike for British fighters in general the way you described Hatton in a different thread and how you describe Froch in this one shows your thinly veiled disdain for them and to try and talk up Chavez how you have when based on their achievements any sane person would clearly favour the more proven Froch is further evidence of that.

 

I actually think Chavez will be a bigger puncher at SMW. The fact that he won't have to totally kill himself making weight can only help.

Still think that Froch has too much for him and will pick him off coming in but it is still a closer fight than people think.

 

So because they are British, I HAVE to support them? I don't support individual fighters, I support the sport. I am down the middle, I will give credit where its due, but if I think a fighter is average, when others rate them highly, then thats just the sport of boxing, and thats why people talk about it. Because very rarely do people agree flat out.

Hatton was an OK fighter for what he was, but he was hyped way to much, and vastly over rated in this country, as soon as he stepped up to that ELITE US level, he got exposed for what he always was. I'm just being honest here. I'm not here to please others. I could say wrongly how good Ricky is, and I'd be very popular. But I aint here for that ****. If I am the only one on the planet that believes it, then I will believe it. It aint about acceptance or being in groups.

As for Froch, I personally think he is another over rated fighter. He is good for what he is, but he does not have ELITE skills, his determination, heart, chin, will to win, makes up for that and means he deserves to be at the level on merit. Don't get me wrong, I like to watch Carl fight, as the fights seem to be entertaining because of his style, but he aint as good as people make out. Regards Chavez, I don't think Froch and Chavez Jr are to dissimilar in terms of what they are about. However, Froch is the more experienced, clearly, and more seasoned, clearly. But I still think a fight like that could go either way as it would be two proud bulls head to head locking horns. I don't think Chavez is very good, I think Froch is over rated, but it doesn't mean it cant make for a good fight. If Chavez can pick some tips up of his dad, especially body shots, as tough as Carl is, a well placed body shot could finish the fight. But Froch could equally finish the fight to.

This aint about me hating on British fighters, I just don't think we have any currently, good enough. There is some hope, and there are some fighters that COULD well prove to be ELITE, but that is "could" and for the future.

Until I see it, I will not make unjust or absurd claims about it.

Fighters that I think COULD be good enough.

Tyson Fury
Chris Eubank Jr
James DeGale
Lee Selby
Ricky Burns
Maybe Billy Joe Saunders

Probably a few more. Those are just of the top of my head.

But clearly, some of those need to get their acts together, especially James DeGale, DeGale could be as good as he says he is, but mentally he is fragile, and if he dont fix it, he won't become what he says he is.

I'm just being fair. Even if it appears brutal. I'm being honest.

 

we will never know when he started. Why would he start using steroids when he is already at the top, surely he wouldn't need them? Amazes me the amount of people that defend his case.

 

I agree pretty much with everything that you've said other than this. This statement is deeply flawed

 

Steroids don't make you more athletic

 

You're not just being honest though Craney, you make out like you are but in reality your bitterness and anti British agenda seeps through in your terminology. You'll criticise Froch and Hatton using adjectives someone would only pick if they had a personal dislike for those fighters in effort to belittle them. Of course they're over rated by the casual fan, what else do you expect from a casual fan? Everyone else knows just what their limitations were and exactly how good they were, the fact that you take such delight in ripping them rather than giving a fair criticism of their attributes tells me all I need to know.

If you were a real fan of the sport you would give Froch props for always bringing it, taking on elite level opponents, fighting over seas on a constant basis etc. Aren't those criticisms you normally level at Burns? He doesn't want to fight the best?

Prior to the Martinez fight Chavez was seen as a joke, a protected, hype job trading off his dads name and weight draining himself to be the MW bully. What has changed since he got schooled that he now beats Froch? You're yet to give a single actual reason or method of HOW he beats Froch you will only say that Froch is over rated. As for being stopped by a body shot, not sure where you got that from but that is as likely as Paul Smith reaching the p4p list.

 

Although a catch weight fight between Sergio and Froch does sound interesting.

 

i could see chavez jr beating bute but i doubt he beats froch, he abuses the rehydration levels at 160. at 168 he'll be coming in as a heavyweight.

 

Thats not really how it works dude.

 

Martinez didnt have to move, he extended his arm and found Chavez's head for 11 and a half rounds he stood in the middle of the ring and boxed Chavez (the one who was going to run through Martinez) to death! why? because Chavez is one dimensional, he's an easy target, and he relies on bulldozering in and hurting lesser fighters with short hooks and uppercuts.

Froch is too good for somebody as bad as Chavez, I agree with what you are saying, the Froch myth seems to be getting more detailed as the day goes by, but Im certain he'd have a field day with the very hittable one dimensional plodder Chavez Jr.

What did you think would happen when a man 190+ hits a man roughly 172 on the chin? ofcourse he was always going to have Sergio in trouble if he hit him, Froch is a big SMW with solid solid whiskers, its not a given that Froch will feel the shot the way a small MW / JrMW would have felt it. Is it?

Its not like Martinez was running anywhere :yep

 

They improve your athleticism ten fold what the hell do you think people take them for. Boxers don't take them to have nice pecks at the weigh in.

Cant be arsed arguing anyway over the same old topics, im hungover and i need a ****.

 

The dreaded alco-plop!

 

I rate Froch for what he is, and he deserves to be fighting the best in the division, something any world level fighter SHOULD be doing. How can you start a party for something somebody like Froch SHOULD be doing?

I don't get it. Why should Carl Froch get a gold medal for fighting the best? OK many fighters out there duck the best, and Carl doesn't. But why should you wax lyrical about that?

Carl Froch is a decent fighter, an unbelievably tough fighter, he'll fight the best, but he is not a great fighter. He will be involved in good fights, and he has been, but that doesn't make him a great fighter. 2 distinctly average fighters could be involved in a great fight. Froch is good for what he is, and credit where credit is due, he is one tough ****, but he doesn't have ELITE skills, but he will fight at ELITE level because of what he is.

Fair play. What more do you want?