Froch vs Dirrell controversy thread

Well I have only used McVey's own words here for the most part. McVey says he's older among other things. The cancerous comment is fitting based on the numerous off the handle replies he gives me. The bottom lines is this guy opened his big mouth with a challenge, and has stepped on a rake. I don't have all day to search his old posts, but he has in fact called strangers racist before.

But you're right. There are much better things to talk about here.

 

Where you come from is immaterial to this discussion,we are talking about the dictionary's definition of the word bigot ,not what you think it means.
You are incorrect in your interpretation of the word,as incorrect as Mendoza is for calling me racist and "playing the racist card".
My ex Wife is Jewish two of my best friends are Indian ,and West Indian respectively,I judge a man on the" colour of his deeds , " not on his skin colour,as some one, far more erudite than me once said.
I don't resent your interpretation of my character,because I have no interest in your opinion of me and value it less.
I hope I have made my position clear enough for you.
Bigotry encompasses many things,which can include religion or race ,but the ACCEPTED definition of the word is the one I have given,what you think I meant when I used it is of no interest to me what so ever.

 

like i said earlier there are lots of really racist things said and no one gets on thier soap box demanding people leave ,if people dont like what is said i thought on here you had a few options

ignore that person

have a go back

or laugh at them

mendoza i dont always agree with you, i dont really put many people down and have not you. i for one enjoy nearly all the different points of view here on esb and am of a view that everyone on here has something to learn and have found your post's informative but will admit to being surprised that you started this thread

 

Yes I am older than most posters on here 61,in November.Cancerous? If you think me that ,I am flattered.
If you thought for one moment you could pin a post on me that proved I had called some one racist, you would trawl back to the very beginning of this site.You cannot, and have neither the balls to admit it , nor the balls to admit you did not know what the word bigot meant.
Now I will tell you some thing else ,I laid this trail for you from the very beginning ,just like a" hare and hounds ",I knew exactly what your next move would be ,and that you would hang yourself with your own spite ,you bigoted, bilious, bubo.[that's onomatopoeiac].
Thanks for the entertainment:good

 

I don't think this argument is particularly profitable for anybody.

It is mutualy ruinous.

 

You are quite right that I should have kept my nose out. But you are a bit of a cranky old man, as I wasn't making any interpretation of your character at all, I don't know why you think I was, I made no statement regarding your character whatsoever, as I don't know you from Adam. I merely said I don't think there is a great difference between calling someone a bigot and a racist on a boxing forum. Essentially it's the same thing, you are accusing them of an irrational prejudice and intolerance, whether it be regarding skin colour or religion or something else is immaterial, it's a technicality to trumpet the difference in dictionary meaning as if it exonerates you from making a non-boxing judgement on someone.

If you read my previous post, you will see I said I was wrong to intervene when I didn't know the circumstances, and that I hope Mendoza leaves it and this thread dies and everyone moves on. I still hope that, despite your petulant outburst towards me. There's no hard feelings on my part. See ya. :good

 

On the contrary, I have found it rather entertaining, but it must be boring the **** out of everyone else.
To put it to sleep ,may I suggest that Mendoza makes a poll ,asking posters if they think I should stay or leave ,I will abide by the verdict.
Alternatively he can drop it . Either way , I can say here and now .
HE WILL NOT ADMIT HE WAS WRONG IN HIS ACCUSATION.
And I don't require him to, because I have no respect for him , or his opinions , what so ever.

 

on a lighter note the jou louis vitali thread is still going :good

 

You are welcome to put your two cents in ,it is a public post after all. I never said otherwise.
I think your interpretation of the word was wrong,actually I know it was wrong,but I was a bit harsh in my reply.
If you say ,someone has made a racist remark[in your opinion], that would be an attack on their character would it not?
And if the person had many friends of differing races and was, until quite recently a member of the ANC, [until Mandela's release], I think you might concede ,they might be apt to get a bit peeved when being accused of making a racist remark.

A bigot is some one who has a narrow closed mind,my opinion of Mendoza is that he fits that like a glove,he has called me a "racist arsehole" among other choice epiphets, no matter I have returned fire,but I haven't ever called him ,or anyone else on here racist.
You "don't know me from Adam" ,but you are sure I am a" cranky old man",and you base this on what a couple of posts? How long have you been on here?
By the standards of this Forum ,I am an old man.
Cranky ? You are certainly decisive when making your mind up about some one.

Petulant ? I am neither peevish , nor irritable,I do have a rather quick temper.
And when younger a very violent one, now I am in my dotage ,I am a pussycat.
I harbour no hard feelings towards you or any other male.My" hard feelings "are reserved for ladies. Peace .

 

I wasn't inclined to comment on this thread until the age issue came up. I learned my boxing history from my grandfather, an uncle, and my dad. Awesome stories. My uncle was REALLY old and went as far back as Benny Leonard. Then there were stories about Louis, Marciano, Robinson, Lamotta. McVey being 61 means he has an unique perspective on the 60's and maybe late 50's. He lived it. I respect that perspective. All of us should. I can read about it and watch film but he can recall from memory.
I'm in my early 40's. Some of the young guys on here are amazing with their knowledge, but in 20 years, I'm going to be the old guy (if not already!!). One of the few who lived the 80's. I remember how stunning the outcome of Sanchez - Gomez was. I remember how shot Bobby Chacon was supposed to be BEFORE the fights with Limon and Boza Edwards. I remember people fearing for Leonard's health before the Hagler fight. Youtube is great but it doesn't give you the whole story. This forum should mirror society. Age demands respect. Most of us have gotten ticked off by someone or ticked somebody off, but I damn sure would be pissed off if an "older", knowledgable poster was run off (I don't think there's a snowballs chance in hell of that happening here).

 

Personally; I like reading McVey's posts, and hope he hangs around.

Technically speaking, racism is a specific form of bigotry. A racist is a bigot, but a bigot does not have to be a racist. Someone that is homophobic can be a bigot, and not be racist. An atheist that hates someone that's religious, may not be racist or homophobic, can be called a bigot.

 

Will it make the magic 100? It must allready have the record I should think!

 

Thank you ,but age doesn't make necessarily make you wise , unfortunately ,and as far as boxing goes, Manassa is one of the best readers of a fight on this Forum, imo, and I beleive he is still in his teens.
Respect is something you earn, and something you are indifferrent to if the person showing either a modicum of it ,or a lack of it ,is in turn some one you do not respect yourself, which is the case with Mendoza.
That said, I respect your kind thought , and appreciate it :good

 

I see that you have an understanding of the word ,and I don't mean that patronisingly.As Mendoza has come up with no proof with which to hang me ,it looks like everyone is stuck with this " cancerous old man " ,a while longer.
ps thanks for the endorsement:good

 

Both McVey and Mendoza are terrific posters here ... some opinions differ but both have serious insight into the sport ...