Froch would've beaten Golovkin, right?

Now, this...

...is a reasonable post. I lean to the other direction on the matter of whether Team GGG were looking for a catchweight (they killed any prospect of facing Ward by demanding 164lbs, after all, after having indicated that they'd face him at 168 some years prior), but I respect the post for its balanced approach and acknowledgement of possibility.




One only has to watch the two Groves bouts to see what Froch brings to the table when he respects his foe. How many shots did he eat flush in the first bout compared to how many he rode in the rematch?

Let's not forget, Kessler was supposed to take his head off in Denmark. Way too easy to hit. Then it turned out he was cuter than conventional wisdom had it. (And plenty in press row had Froch winning that one when all was said and done, a fight that could've easily gone either way.)

 

Stopped reading when your main source is eddie hearn. Jokes.

And that didn't sound like dry wit. That was Froch with his game face on, **** scared of GGG.

Fact

 

You stopped reading too soon,

My main source is Froch, specifically his suggestion that Golovkin would be canny to avoid him.

Froch's track record suggests that he wasn't the scared type of guy.

You fellas don't do yourselves any favors with this stuff. You're like the anti-LDBC, rabid and OTT.

 

'I stopped reading your post at this point but I somehow know you made a reference to dry wit one line later.'

That's the kind of patter that leads to fruitful discussion.


Golovkin diehards are going all out to confirm my assessment from a page or so back. Beacons of rapier wit, personal charm and penetrating insight, as always.

 

It should be noted that Froch tended to be at his very best when he had something to fear, when he was being doubted and when his back was against the wall. Golovkin's reputation, to whatever extent one might think it was justified, would have gotten that kind of form out of Carl.

 

dude what do I have to be bitter about li? As a fan of boxing I just keep it real and don’t get caught up in emotion, quite honestly I USED to be a GGG fan around the Stevens fight is when I first saw him and loved the knock out and 154-68 talk and thought he would be a breath of fresh air but instead he turned out to be a flop. His claim to fame is a fake title defense record and losing to Canelo.

 

B, b, bu, but Golovkin KO's heavyweights regularly?!?!

 

Hopkins had already left MW by the time Golovkin turned over.

Martinez was the top guy in the early part of Golovkin's title run. And Golovkin would've gotten his shot if Sergio hadn't lost his championship in what was supposed to be an easy defence against a blown-up welter. Can't blame Maravilla for grabbing the Cotto money first, he had to make the most of any attractive economic opportunity that came his way after having labored in relative obscurity 'til very late in his career.

I always believed Golovkin would've stopped even a healthy Martinez, felt he was the uncrowned best 160lb fighter at that time and never really saw Martinez as a true, fully fledged MW, more a guy who'd stepped into the breach and held the fort admirably after a very solid champion started to go off the rails. I think it's reasonable to say that Golovkin was in all probability the best MW at a certain period in time (2011-2014) but never got the chance to categorically prove it. That doesn't change the fact that his career was subject to a great degree of duplicitous PR and aggressive advertising spin. He was never as brilliant or as throwback-like as the TV network fanfare and the Loeffler spiel led both casual consumers and more self-conscious fight fans to believe. That's about been proven, unless one buys into the idea that he's been a greatly degraded shell of himself since Canelo came around (and I do not). Even if you score the Alvarez bouts for him, general estimations of his ability were considerably more lofty than a close win over the guy who'd been in tight contests with Erislandy Lara and Austin Trout at 154lb (or 155 Caneloweight).

The guy is still yet to fight a single serious bout above the MW limit. When Canelo's moving up and up the divisions (and regardless of whether one thinks acclaim for his victory over Kovalev should be tempered bu consideration of Sergey's clearly deteriorated state), why is Golovkin still content to stay put at 160 boxing the Szeremetas of the world? (No disrespect to the Pole.) Challenge yourself, find something impressive to do, put some concerted energy into aggressively pursuing the guy you feel cheated you out of your moment instead of just treading water and waiting. Did Juan Marquez, even in his advanced years, sit around waiting for his deliverance? He actively pursued it in all directions. Golovkin sulks and festers indifferently, and that's why it's hard to feel sympathy for him. He swears he's a boxer and not a businessman, while slamming the cynicism of rival camps, but the manner in which his career has been conducted in the years after HBO took him over suggests otherwise.

 

Froch slow as molasis ..G takes him clean UD. Frotch had the opportunity to fight him after he was running his mouth. Then when it was time to put up or shut up he smartly shut up. Froch didnt even beat Dirrell.

 

You're far from the only guy I've seen excitedly jump on the wagon in the honeymoon period of his union with HBO only to disappointedly hop off when the wrangling behavior started to contradict the PR/marketing.

To not see it for what it was/is requires a belligerently devotional level of partisanship.


The program made Golovkin and his handlers a lot of money, and that's fine and all. But he's not Top 100 ATG caliber, nor was he ever quite so promising as to justify such loud, categorical prognoses of coming greatness. Hardly a 160lb Chavez, more a very solid fighter with considerable strengths and some quite exploitable shortcomings who kicked a lot of ass in a slack era.

FWIW, I don't think Canelo is *that* good overall, either. He comes up just a bit shy of true A class, due to his lack of gears (can be overly deliberate and his patience can sometimes become a hindrance) and his stamina breaks, although I enjoy his technique.

That's partly why the arguments between their fanbases are so tedious. What are they even scrapping over, the bragging rights to call their guy a slightly better B+ fighter (A- at best) than the other side's B+ fighter?

 

personally I don’t get wrapped up so much in hype but I at least thought he’d try to push for fights, quite honestly that’s why I root for Canelo when you face enough elite fighters close fights happen so I’m not tripping about a close fight. But he FIGHTS the fights, It’s come out that Canelo made offers to Andrade, Charlo, Smith this year all reigning Champs who all turned it down the fight. Meanwhile we have GGG who say Andrade or Charlo don’t make sense?

 

I stand by my thoughts from 2015:
https://www.boxingforum24.com/threa...g-and-too-strong-for-gennady-golovkin.542736/

 

Guess I'm in the minority. I think Golovkin wins. He's just better. Never liked Froch much. Weird, crab-like style. Shitty footwork. Strong, big puncher, but I just didn't like his movement.

 

I remember the ggg hype before the Jacobs and Canelo fights it was hilarious.