From a 1-10 scale how good was tyson in the second holyfield fight

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  1. sauhund II

    sauhund II Boxing Addict Full Member

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    LOL @ you...............if Holyfield was sooooooooooooo much better why did he hold and hold some more in the first fight until he got brave when Tyson was out gas due to rotting his best years in the pen and needed constant HEADBUTTS in BOTH fights to get another edge ?

    You should sue your brain for nonsupport.............you would make a killing.
     
  2. Canibus81

    Canibus81 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yup but yet you try make and seem like he bit him for no reason and you no the reason why he did. It doesn't matter though, because he did bite him and he didn't give a **** about being Dq'd by that point.

    And your right, he did see the second fight going the sameway with clutching and headbutting Holyfield was doing,(even moreso than the first considering the fact it was only 3 rounds, instead of 11) the only difference was he took upon himself to retaliate since Evander didn't wanna play it fair by the rules so he gave him what he wanted.
     
  3. Scar

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    Head movement was there but inconsistent, Tyson had no patience going in the Holyfield rematch and looked full of excuses after the beating he suffered in the first round which he CLEARLY didn't expect. Let's face it, it was Holyfield rocking him in the first round and pushing him back when the entire world, including Tyson and his team, expected Tyson to send that kind of message in the first round. That raped whatever confidence Tyson had and he immediately picked on the headbutts to get out of it. Tyson was superb physically, he came in a very low weight looked 100% healthy and ready to go.

    No he wasn't the Tyson post prison because that's impossible to bring back what has been lost in four years in a sport all about activity and dedication but Holyfield had A LOT to do with Tyson looking bad and lost in those two fights than Tyson being shot. If Holyfield was terrified he would have ended like Bruno, McNeely, Mathis Jr. and Seldon.
     
  4. Farmboxer

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    Holyfield's head butts were almost as good as Ward's.
     
  5. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    After Buster it was all downhill.
     
  6. Canibus81

    Canibus81 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I agree, which is why I give Holyfield the benefit of the doubt. I feel stylisticly he would of always gave Tyson a hard fight, but I don't think he would of beat him when Mike was at his best. As for the second fight, I do agree Holyfield had a lot to do with Tyson not looking as good as he usually does but Tyson still didn't come in agressive enough and consistency like you and I already pointed out, so that also had something to do with it and in the third round you could see the difference when he did, which he should of did in the first. Either way, nothing in that fight told me that Holyfield was on his way to an easy win like in the first first fight had Tyson kept his cool.

    Tyson in his prime stops Holyfield, but it would still be a battle.
     
  7. Canibus81

    Canibus81 Boxing Addict Full Member

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  8. Danny

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    At most, between 1-10, I'd give Tyson a four for the second Holyfield fight. Its hard to gauge as there was not a conclusive ending, just chaos!

    Its ironic becasue Tyson was having his best round in the third before he bit Evander! He started throwing combinations in that round & they were landing. We all know Holyfield had a great chin, but still, he was shipping some shots!

    After the headbutt which cut Tyson, when Mills Lane did not even speak to Holyfield, that's when I think Tyson made up his mind that he was going to react!
     
  9. Hookie

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    In the first fight I'd say 7 or 8 but so was Holyfield. The difference was that Holyfield rose to the occasion and Tyson thought Holyfield would be easy.

    Tyson had no excuses in the rematch, I'd say he was about 8. I think he trained hard but Holyfield again frustrated him. Holyfield was about an 8 as well. As a result, Tyson just fell apart. I actually think Holyfield was better prepared in the first fight.

    The rematch could have and should have been better than the first fight. I figured Tyson would be well prepared as well as Holyfield, but I also felt that Holyfield would come in a bit cocky, therefore making it a close fight. I picked Holyfield as the winner.
     
  10. Canibus81

    Canibus81 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Oh and Holyfield hadn't looked any better in those fights, infact he was better in those fights than he was in the past. He was much physically stronger(all you gotta do is look at his weight compared, say the foreman fight) and he was a much better boxer compared to his early heavyweight fights. He was more of a puncher in his early heavyweight days but in those fights he became a much more experienced tactian. So Holyfield definetly was at his best for those Tyson fights.
     
  11. salty trunks

    salty trunks Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think he was better prepared but he still fought with too much hesitation.

    Tyson never regained his timing or second nature of movement and thats why a fighter like Holyfield was able to capitalize on it so easily.

    Had Tyson faced Holyfield in 91 I think the fight would have been much different.
     
  12. salty trunks

    salty trunks Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I would say just the opposite. Holyfield was a better boxer when he was younger. He boxed and moved more on his toes but still liked to mix it up and maybe a little more wrecklessly than he did as he got older.

    The older Holyfield had him physically bigger more flat footed and more of a stationary counterpuncher who fought in spots using a lot of holding and wrestling inside.

    I think overall Holyfield just became smarter with what he had but as a young man he was an excellent boxer puncher.
     
  13. salty trunks

    salty trunks Well-Known Member Full Member

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    After Spinks is a better assessment.
     
  14. Canibus81

    Canibus81 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That's exactly what I meant by him being more of a tactian. It's the same with Hopkins in his later yrs. And Holyfield was much physically stronger which also helped when he was in clinches. Just those 2 combinations alone made him better. Either way, nothing in the 2nd fight tells me he would of been able to handle Mike when he was at his best. Mike would of beatin him in the 2nd fight fight if he wnet back to the basics.
     
  15. Canibus81

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    I agree.