From an objective view point. If Manny Pacquaio did beat Mayweather

Yeah but Mayweather didn't fight and beat Barrera and you know how I feel about all those cheating *******s that did!:fire
Erm..except Marquez of course...and..erm.. Morales.
The rest are all cheating liberty takers!:bart

 

Watched it live,and it was a perfect example of how I'm unable to score subjectively when a fighter who I particularly favour is involved.
I had Marco winning first viewing,and almost went through the ceiling when he got the KD.:happy
But while I completely understand the growing concensus that Barrera won,when I watched it again(allowing for what I thought was a poor ref decision,but I'm biased!) I think Juan did enough by two points.
And now Juan is my favourite active fighter.The irony!

 

5-8 for Pac, if Mayweather beat Pac and pac looked good against Bradley top 15-20

 

I think that's much to high. If he beats Bradley and Mayweather, top 15 is he highest I could see him being.

I also have Manny slightly ahead, and if Floyd fights and dominates him, I think he jumps to around 25 or so. I have no list, but I just imagine how many fighters I'd be ok with ranking ahead of them.

 

Top 15-20 IMO Beating Floyd would be a huge win for Pacquiao's legacy, unfortunately Floyd is going to be 36 by the time they fight so it's lost a lot of luster

 

He won't be top 5, but he'd be top 20.

 

Pacquiao right now is ranked lower than Floyd on the atg list, and beating Floyd would be a great upset, AND Pacquiaos best career win should be beat Floyd.

 

I think maybe you should look at Manny's resume a little closer. On the surface it's seems killer, but there are many asterisks next to opponents and events. Asterisks that you just don't find as often on other top 10 or 20 ATGs. Throw in the fact that most of today's fighters are essentially weight cheats and not truly fighting men bigger than them. Pac was throwing on 14lbs at 130 and coming in at 144. He lost a championship belt because he failed to make weight. He refused to let EM get a catch weight for their rematch even though they told them they were having difficulty making 130 anymore. Yet, pac turns into the CW king with his later choice of opponents.

Not saying it throws everything out the window, but Pac's accomplishments are just as tainted as Floyd's purported weak resume.

 

Well if Pac defeats Floyd who has never been defeated and who many consider the P4P #1, he adds probably the biggest victory to an already great resume listed below (with stats comparing Pac to the current Top 10 ATG).

If Pac, an 8 weight title holder (4 in the original weight classes), doesn't make the Top 10, what else does he have to do? Beat Martinez? Ward? Wlad? Or just pad his record by beating sparring partners like they did 60 years ago?

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God damn, you're a **** smotherer...

 

You need to get a girlfriend!

 

Attacking the poster instead of the post = No rebuttal

:smoke

 

If you're going to criticize Pac's resume, break it down in detail and highlight every flaw, you must do the same for the other ATG's in the Top 10. If you do it for one, do it for all. Or else, it's just a witchhunt.

People on ESB like Isal fail to do this. Why? Because they have agendas or don't have the resources (or don't bother trying) to really dig into the oldtimer's resumes and find out the circumstances of their wins. They just assume all their victories were all against prime opponents with no catchweights because only Pac does those awful things. atsch