From Ring mag website: 10 greatest British fighters of all time

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by ishy, Dec 23, 2008.


  1. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    Hatton's wins............

    Tszyu - obviously
    Castillo - the manner of it
    Phillips
    Collazo
    Tackie
    Malignaggi
    Lazcano
    Urango - the true worth will be revealed
    Oliveira
    Rios
    Maussa
    Stewart
    Magee
    Thaxton
    Hutchinson

    et al!
     
  2. mrplow182

    mrplow182 Seasoned Veteran Full Member

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    I would have to say Lennox handled Vitali much worse than Calzaghe handled Kessler.....and I couldnt seperate the difference between RJJ and Tyson....both of who were punching bags by the time of the fight

    The rest I agree with though in terms of Lewis and his depth....it went under appreciated at the time
     
  3. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    I think Tyson probably ranks above Jones

    They were both punch bags, but at leasy Tyson tried to fight back against a guy who was a stylistic nightmare (even in their respective primes). Roy was content to go the distance with Joe.

    Don't forget Lennox was more past peak than Joe was.
     
  4. mrplow182

    mrplow182 Seasoned Veteran Full Member

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    I actually rate the Lazcano win in his top 5....took a lot for Hatton to win that fight in terms of the illness, the heavy defeat beforehand as well as the fact that Lazcano was a more than decent opponent

    Top 6 for Hatton......in my opinion

    Tszyu
    Collazo
    Malignaggi
    Castillo
    Lazcano
    Tackie

    The others in terms of Phillips and Oliveira were a little too shop worn, although are good names to have on his record,and yep, that Castillo body shot was one of the best he's ever thrown if not the best
     
  5. mrplow182

    mrplow182 Seasoned Veteran Full Member

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    Thats true wasnt he 37 at the time of that fight??

    I like all 3 guys and when you dissect their records they are actually impressive....not bad at all
     
  6. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    Castillo may be a little high, but Phillips has to go in the top 5, given that he nearly KO'd Ricky in the 4th.

    Paulie is way overrated, as a Hatton fan I was jumping up and down when the fight was made, because Malignaggi was made for him. A one-dimensional jab artist with no power and hittable = meat and drink for Ricky.
     
  7. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    I wouldn't say Tua is that much better than Lacy. He is a limited fighter too. They are essentially the same type of fighter. Tua has a few better wins.

    Why is Vitali better than Kessler? Vitali's resume was horrible before he beat Sam Peter. Samuel...Peter. A terrible TKO loss to Byrd against his name too, whatever the circumstances. They are even at worst.

    Tyson was that much better than Jones? He was really in much better condition then when Danny Williams and ****ing McBride beat him just a couple of years later? Miles miles past peak.

    Holyfield was noway near that far ahead of this current Hopkins either. He was widely considered past prime, except his form would then be to struggle with John Ruiz and get KO'd by a fat Toney. Whereas Hopkins beat Pavlik.

    Basically all of them were widely inaccurate and overstated.
     
  8. mrplow182

    mrplow182 Seasoned Veteran Full Member

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    I do laugh when people say he has no punch resistance anymore because lazcano wobbled him and Mayweather stopped him.......Lazcano fought a mentally all over the place Hatton and did catch him but not to the extent where he was out of it like some people like to say....and as for the mayweather KO.....Mayweather is a cracking world class fighter and caught Hatton cos ricky was still going for it pushing forward like we know he thrives on

    That said....my point was kinda gonna be that Phillips did nearly stop ricky, tszyu caught him with some massive shots and Magge dropped him.....yet people were very quick to write him off everytime he's wobbled since the US fights
     
  9. mrplow182

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    That means you have to dig even deeper into the 3 of their records to rank them???? Woodhall/Thaxton/Bruno kinda tier???

    Or does everyone instincively have a favourite fighter??
     
  10. Beatboxer

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    And how did you work that out? Simply because he was stupid enough not to train for Rahman (too busy on the set of Ocean 11) and thus got sparked?

    If anything Calzaghe has shown a more pronounced physical decline that Lewis had up until that point....Lewis looked as good as he ever did going into Tyson, Rahman aberration aside...which he of course atoned for big time in the rematch where he actually trained properly.

    And the way you attacked Joes wins over Hopkins and Jones....you could rather easily say the same for Holyfield and Tyson for Lewis, who wasn't fortunate in that the best heavies of his day never took him on in their primes...Bowe avoiding him blatantly, Tyson imprisoned(and later step aside money) and Holy with his erratic form in the mid 90s.

    The resume can be, and has been attacked many, many times. I could put forward a convincing case to tear him apart rather easily. Not that I would as I regard him as a top 10 all time HW, but it would certainly be possible.
     
  11. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    I think you make a good point - Hatton has never been good at all defensively, even guys at journeyman level have had him in trouble either through carelessness or cuts..........
     
  12. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    I'm not really arguing most of those wins are better. Except Vitali, considering the circumstances. Kessler is a better win. The number of ">" they seemed to get were well over the top with no real basis in reality. I mean is there really much difference between that Tyson and Jones? I don't see it at all. If anything Tyson's best years were well past in comparison to RJJ.

    Lewis has a much better depth of win beyond that. His B grade of competition is outstanding.

    Of course he's way ahead of Calzaghe overall.
     
  13. JonOli

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    You're not allowed to do that!!
     
  14. Beatboxer

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    Yep, the way people go on about Lewis as some sort of untouchable British Demi-God amuses me: I remember people would say that he couldn't rank among the panehon of greats simply because he has been sparked twice by two average-good fighters....

    People seem to gloss over that. I can only imagine what they would say if the same thing had happened to Calzaghe, even if he did avenge the losses ala Lewis.

    Again, I rate Lewis higly but lets not pretend his resume can't be picked at.
     
  15. onourway

    onourway Haye KTFO1 Wlad Full Member

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    Lacy's a horrible fighter. Tua has better wins and genuine KO power. I don't think any Tua opponent ever said 'he can't punch ****' like Joe did about Lacy after 2 rounds.

    Vitali and Kessler have similar resumes in that neither shines and they both lost to the best they fought. I prefer Lewis's win, because of the stage he was at in his career and the fact that Vitali has dominated/Ko'd every fighter he's fought.

    Jones is awful now, everything that made him great has gone. At least Tyson still had a punchers chance and went for it, Jones couldn't even get punches off.

    Lewis beat Holyfield comfortably. Calzaghe barely landed a clean punch on Hopkins.