from the man's own mouth: Why Pac didn't accept blood tests 14 days from the fight

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  1. simon850

    simon850 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Your telling me that penalty wouldn't add mental pressure to a fighter? Knowing that 1 pound over could potentialy ruin you financialy? Pac should have taken the testsm there was a 14 day cut off period, every other fighter in the world would have done it, but not Pac!
     
  2. Atlanta

    Atlanta Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Also, Mayweather would be taking the same exact tests, so if Pacquiao is going to be weakened by the testing, so will Mayweather.
     
  3. EL CABALLO

    EL CABALLO Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Your point, my friend, is baseless since I am NOT a Mayweather fan and I did use to like Mr. Pacquiao. You, Mr. Grown Up, are more than welcome to check my post history to confirm it if you would like!
     
  4. AnthonyW

    AnthonyW ESB Official Gif Poster Full Member

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    Well my point is proven with you stating you used to like Pacquiao...for whatever reason you don't like him now, so you are now defending Mayweather.

    Neither deserve to be defended!
     
  5. demigawd

    demigawd Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If Pacquiao's reasoning for not wanting blood tests 15 days out because he's in "heavy training", then:

    1. Isn't he in heavy training during most of his camp? So how would 15 days be any different from 24 days? Is he in less heavy training 24 days out? And remember, the proposal from the Pac Camp wasn't for a blood test at 24 days out, but a random test any time up to 24 days out. So is he not in heavy training 26 days out? 30 days out? 45 days out? His reasoning would essentially eliminate any blood testing during camp at all.

    2. Does that mean that he would be OK with testing 7 days out, when he's not in heavy training anymore? If anything, that supports testing CLOSER to the fight. Surely a test a week before would be fine with Mayweather.

    The poster earlier on who mentioned that this is the same stuff other elite athletes in the Olympics and various other sports have to go through is spot on. If they can still be elite despite being subject to tests up to the day of competition, then I don't see why it would suddenly make the difference between Pac winning and losing TWO WEEKS OUT.

    In just about any other sport with blood testing, someone with that mindset could probably not continue playing in that sport.

    I don't necessarily think this means Pac really is juiced, because I found the basic premise of the suspicion (jealousy from Mayweather Sr) to be flawed. However, I do think he's a bit of a diva and he should get over it pronto, because he doesn't want to let down his fans in the Philippines who are demanding this fight.
     
  6. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    i think the basic concept is that within 24 days from the fight is when the intensity really picks up because he is getting ready to peak, and then once he peaks he has to stay at that level which means no blood tests.

    its a legit reason. Also, I think he would have been justified to flat out refuse the tests in the first place.

    And most importantly, it hasn't been demonstrated yet that the blood tests within 24 days will be able to catch anything within that period that urinalysis wouldn't. Its true that they can test for HGH through blood and not urine, but HGH would be caught with the pre-24 day and post fight tests. Its not something that just gives an immediate benefit and then clears your system in a day or 2.


    I'm still unconvinced about the relevance of blood tests up to 14 days rather than 24. And even if I were, that wouldn't mean Pacquiao is forced to accept them.
     
  7. haglerforever

    haglerforever Member Full Member

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    Quite frankly I think Manny thinks that he has most people fooled in that he is refusing RANDOM testing because it is a matter of honor.
    People that deal with logic & reason understand that to show Honor you do not run away or go to court.What you do is you take the test that your opponent is willing to take,& all the thousands of athletes competeing in the Olympiic Games are mandated to take & then you take your honorable anger out in the ring.That is of course if you are not afraid of Random testing or afraid of losing to a superior boxer.........
     
  8. AnthonyW

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    I think the boxing commission is going to change the rules on drug testing in the next couple of years because of this. I don't know how rigorous they are going to be with there testing, but I do think they will eventually change it in the next couple years.
    All boxers should be randomly tested all year round, and they should follow in the footsteps of how Athletics deal with there sports men and women.
    If an athlete refuses a random drug test, or misses a random drug test on a number of occassions, they are automatically banned for a period of time.
     
  9. PH|LLA

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    I think that random urine testing at all times and random blood testing outside of competition (when the fighters are not training for a fight) would be the best method to catch the cheaters without affecting anyone's mindset and performance before a fight.
     
  10. ]V[ooSeKnUcKLeS

    ]V[ooSeKnUcKLeS YAHHHHH Full Member

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    :lol::lol::lol: :patsch
     
  11. demigawd

    demigawd Boxing Addict Full Member

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    But the intensity actually tapers down the last two weeks of the fight. So while you could say that peak intensity is between 24 and 14 days, you can't issue a blanket ban. There's no way training is more intense at 13 days than it is at 25 days. It's not.

    I think beyond that, the point still stands that Mayweather is subjecting himself to the same thing, and Olympic boxers don't even have that much luxury. And I find it hard to believe that taking one blood test (which regenerates within two hours) would somehow throw everything off. Even Roach said it would throw Manny off for two days...but not two weeks.

    Again, it's not suspicious, it's just diva-ish.

    And before you ask, it's also diva-ish for Mayweather to make the demands in the first place.

    Bottom line - they're two prima donnas vying for dominant position in negotiations. Part of me hopes the fight doesn't get made at all because neither of them deserve the payday that I and you are going to be financing.

    In an ideal world, Earth would be temporarily conquered by an alien warlord who will make them fight for absolutely nothing but their continued right to live, and leave once they've fought.
     
  12. sdsfinest22

    sdsfinest22 Pound 4 Pound Full Member

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    excuse after excuse after excuse after excuse after excuse after excuse..never stops
     
  13. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    but what is the REASON that the intensity in training tapers down in the last 2 weeks?
     
  14. artofwar

    artofwar Well-Known Member Full Member

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    he agreed to 3 blood tests yet he is definitely on steroids. you sir are an imbecile
     
  15. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    i know right. hes been beaten, hes not a ppv draw, hes too green, hes on peds, hes not his own boss, he fights for arum, i started at 130 also., etc....
    when will it ever stop?
     
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