Full blood work done today

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  1. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    What does it matter if Pac is afraid of needles? He knocked Hatton out in two rounds. Obviously he doesn't need 30 days to recover from having some blood drawn.
     
  2. First up - congratulations!!

    Just had a browse on the American Red Cross website. This was in the FAQs:


    How much blood is taken — won't it make me weak?
    A blood donation equals approximately one pint of blood. The average adult body has 10-12 pints. The vast majority of people will not feel any different because of the donation. A very small percentage may experience temporary dizziness, but some rest and fluids will help you feel better quickly. Your body will replace the lost fluid within 24 hours.



    Man, I can't wait for the day we stop talking about blood tests and get back to talking about boxing :good
     
  3. rushman

    rushman Devoid is Devoid Full Member

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    Again, it isn't Pac being afraid of needles.

    It's his belief that having blood drawn right before a fight makes him a little bit weaker. Right before a fight doesn't mean 30 days - from what i can read it means more like 2-3 days.

    Since he didn't have blood draw 2-3 days before the Hatton fight then what happened in the Hatton fight is useless for this discussion.
     
  4. rushman

    rushman Devoid is Devoid Full Member

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    Red Cross, huh? They want people to donate as much blood as possible? You may need to take this into consideration when reading their FAQ. They don't want to discourage donors now, do they?

    According to Health Central, around 10% of people have a needle phobia. That doesn't quite read the same way as the Red Cross FAQ does it? But then, the Red Cross FAQ isn't exactly impartial - they have a reason to want to downplay the negatives. Not that they are lying - but it reads like they are putting their own spin on things. I don't blame them though, getting blood donors must be hard enough and it is important work that they do.

    http://www.healthcentral.com/anxiety/disorder-types-273889-5.html

    No, I am not saying Pac has a needle phobia.
     
  5. Andrew671

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    If a guy is sitting looking relaxed while his blood is being drawn we can reasonably conclude he does not have a fear of needles.
    Here we have one of the toughest guys ever to walk the Earth and you're telling me he's afraid of pin pricks?

    Pac feels taking blood from him will drain him, while it's a fact that a blood test does not take enough blood to affect his physical performance. Now Pac has the access to the best sports physicians in the country, and you're telling me doctors haven't told him that the amount taken won't affect his performance?

    Bull****.
     
  6. Andrew671

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    Are you saying then Pac has a needle anxiety?
    Why doesn't he appear tense, fidgety then when blood is being drawn?
    It doesn't take a genius to realize there's an incosistency in what he says and how he behaves (being covered in tattoos and all)
     
  7. Damn, I didn't realize I had a phobia. Now I feel insane.
     
  8. rushman

    rushman Devoid is Devoid Full Member

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    Yeah, absolutely. I do think that's a fair compromise.
     
  9. Jaguar

    Jaguar Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So what you're saying is that you're a sissy. When I was in the military they took my blood... often and they took a lot. I don't know what the maximum is but I gave the daily maximum on a semi-regular basis. I am ab positive which is very rare. I still trained my ass off the same day every time. Man up sissy.

    :lol:
     
  10. rushman

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    Nope, not at all.

    I am saying he has a belief that having blood drawn just before a fight makes him a bit weaker.

    It's like people who get flu shots. They aren't worried at all about the injection. But for the next fortnight every single ache or pain, every sneeze is attributed to the flu shot that they got.

    This isn't a phobia of needles, it isn't an anxiety reaction to needles. It's a belief that is more like a superstition.

    I will say though, that even if someone was feeling anxious about the injection itself - that this will not always how externally.
     
  11. Andrew671

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    There you go, I think that is reasonable too. This fight should be made then, except Pac is refusing to be tested within 30 days of the fight.
    It seems something very strange is going on in camp Pacquiao.:blood
     
  12. BigReg

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    The USADA said they won't test within 48 hrs. before the fight. How come Pac rejected the use of the USADA? How come Arum has been saying Pac won't be tested within 30 days?
     
  13. rushman

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    Rejecting the USADA? Not sure, but I don't know if it is relevant. A drug test is a drug test. A blood test is a blood test. People who are against Pac will say it is because USADA are the best testers and he is scared of them. People who are pro-Pac will say it is because USADA have a bad history of being intrusive and they will also say that USADA are too friendly with GBP.

    The real question is about them changing their mind from a 3 day compromise - that Floyd's camp appeared to be ready to accept - to going back to the 30 day thing.
    Sure, Pac's camp may have developed a "**** you" attitude towards Floyd's camp. But now that Floyd's camp has thrown this **** up it needs to be dealt with.

    Just look at this board. So many people so eager to leap to the worst conclusions for Pac. Sure they are all idiots - but they are the idiots that pay Pac's fight money. So I think he should just do the tests and prove everyone wrong.
     
  14. thekid

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    Wow you were in the military, I guessed no one asked so you didn't tell:yep
     
  15. cherokee

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    they took two vials from me for simple malaria test when I came home from holidays in asia and had fever

    my doc got paranoid and i had to bloody give blood. okay i wasn't feeling well already anyway but it surely did make me feel even weaker after that!
     
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