Full Timeline of Dempsey-Wills - Evidence of Dempsey-Wills Contract Photo Staged?

Harsh words!

 

Another 8 page thread I just finished reading. The one thing l don't really understand in all this is why not give Dempsey the benefit of the doubt?

He made it quite clear that he tried to make the fight and l don't see any evidence to refute this claim. All I see is speculation and denial of what little facts exist which largely seems to be agenda driven.

Just like someone is presumed innocent unless proven otherwise, I tend to believe people are telling the truth unless proven otherwise.

But if l'm not mistaken even Wills pretty much backs up Dempsey's vers.ion of events.

Like Janitor mentioned a fair amount of blame rests with the NY commission and Rickard far moreso then Dempsey for this fight not occurring.

 

Only the Kauffman one was in the US and no one was surprised when he couldn't deliver the title to the white crowd.

"Following the bout, Referee Eddie Smith said: "Johnson outfought, outhit and outgeneraled Kaufman all through the fight."
A well-known San Francisco sporting authority was asked after the fight how Jim Jeffries, the retired former World Heavyweight Champion, would do against Johnson. He replied: "Jeffries will do well to stay in retirement. Johnson would probably leave the ring with his championship laurels. Johnson, in his battle with Kaufman, proved he is a master of the boxing game. There never was a time in the entire contest when the Californian had a chance. He was simply a chopping block for the champion"

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There was no realistic expectation that Kauffman would win and indeed Johnson toyed with him.In contrast when Johnson defended aginst Jeffries ,Jeffries was the favourite and expected to," redeem the honour of the White Race".The anti-climax of a one sided bout where the White challenger was systematically humiliated ,and drubbed ,and the bitterly disappointing outcome for the White public , [the Black champ still reigning ,] were the main factors for the race riots that followed.

 

Exactly...

 

Such horse****. One promoter in the whole world and one STATE athletic commission prevented that fight from being staged anywhere else in the entire country much less the world. Get ****ing real. Problem is Dempsey didnt want to listen to any offers that might actually see him fight someone he wasnt a heavy favorite to beat and only entertained offers to fight Wills that he knew before hand would never lead to the fight actually taking place. He admitted as much and it was an open secret at the time. He **** all over the championship and his adoring fans have been spooning it up and greedily eating it ever since.

 

A serious question why does it bother you so??

 

Proposals for a fight can’t just be scribbling’s on the back of a cigarette packet, they have to be worked out in detail, and there has to be real money behind them.

Having two separate attempts to make the fight fall through, would have been a very significant setback for Dempsey if he had been sincere.

What alternative proposals were out there, that stood up to scrutiny, and would have provided the kind of money that Dempsey was asking for?

 

No unfortunately Burt i think this is an instance where being from a different generation is hindering your ability to know what technology is truly capable of. It's called, photoshop, a picture editing software and it was clearly used in this instance. Dempsey's team likely knew Kyle Reese or Marty McFly and got them to smuggle it into the past so that photo op could be staged and presented to papers. Shame that Jack and his team would stoop that low.

 

Solid topic.

 

So far, I've yet to see a shred of evidence backing this up. Promoters often have a very tight grip on fighters. When Duran left King he almost had to retire but for Arum taking him under his wing, even he had to admit he might have had to retire, had Arum not stepped up, so when you're with the biggest promoter in the country you usually don't leave just to make a point. Tyson and numerous other fighters were under Kings control for decades and if King has the ***** to screw Tyson, of all people that says a lot.

 

I think you just stole Klompton's post..man this technology stuff is scary.

 

Learns said that if Dempsey really wanted a venue they could have fought in Havana

 

Sorry meant to write Kearns said...

 

Did Kearns happen to mention who would have promoted the fight and how much Dempsey would have been paid?

 

Although I am a great Dempsey fan, you have to look at his record as a whole when deciding if he intentionally ducked Wills. This is from a man, who as champion, took a three year layoff. That in my mind, tells me he was not exactly itching to get into the ring with the likes of Wills. We are what the record says we are, and the record says he was not a fighting champion.