Fury and Wilder status in their own era

While everyone shares responsibility, Furys 3 year absence after beating Wladimir Klitschko is the thing that set us down the path. This led to Wilder and AJ treading water waiting for either Fury to return or for him to be gone sufficently long to fight each other to replace him. When you look at how messed up HW is today all roads lead back to that.

 

What the hell is this thread?

There were the "big three" from 2015-2021. Two of the three fought a trilogy. The other got smacked around by Andy Ruiz.

This is somehow...a bad thing...for the two guys who engaged in a brutal go out on your shield trilogy?

What can I say except *JOSHUA FANS*

 

But you said "post Klitschko era."

There has been a real problem with shifting the bar on these threads, lately.

 

You need to re-read. The criticism is neither Fury nor Wilder fought many other top contenders. Both have a **** poor resume. And say what you want about AJ, he took some risks.

 

They WERE the top. And they fought each other. Joshua didn't risk his biscuit against either. He got popped by Fat Andy, looked useless against Usyk, then obliterated by Dubois.

Fury fought an unbeaten Chisora, champion Klitschko in Germany as an underdog, champion Wilder in America THREE TIMES, twice as underdog, contender Whyte, champion Usyk TWICE as underdog. That's risk. To come out of all that only losing to Usyk is very good indeed.

Joshua has had a career of meticulously calculated risk and A-side advantage and he still couldn't hold it together.

 

Being at the top doesn't mean you don't fight top contenders. Quite the opposite actually.

Look, Wilder already admitted to took Fury rather than fight AJ. That's not up for debate. And yes, I know who AJ lost to. Like I said, he took the risks at least win or lose. Just rehashing their resumes doesn't mean a thing, I can look who they fought online if that was important.

It's a joke to say AJ had a 'meticulously calculated' career, when his resume is stronger then Wilder's and Fury's. Both of theirs are very weak for supposes "top guys of the dsivision", which is what this thread is about.

Yeah, he fought Wilder three times. Wilder with one of the worst resumes for a titlist. Great time spent on him....

 

Were you here 2015 to 2020?

Kabayel in that period? Are you serious? Ortiz was considered far more dangerous than all those guys in that time period and Wilder beat him twice.

 

Yes, everyone ducked AJ, is that it? This argument makes no sense. Everyone turned down career high money because they wanted to avoid the chinny, average skill guy they saw give up against Andy. Everyone except 40 year old shot guys, that is.

If you think Joshua didn't have a meticulously calculated career and all the A-side advantage starting with the Olympics, I don't know what to tell you. You are a fanboy and not worth my time.

In 2018-2020 there were the "big three" of Fury, Wilder, Joshua. Two of those fought each other, one got splattered by Andy. You can spend all day talking about how the guy who didn't fight the others of the big three and LOST to Andy is somehow a...risk taker, but it doesn't add up.

 

Dude...I rarely have time for this type of reply. But did I say EVERYONE ducked AJ? Or do you just reply in this overly-dramatic fashion all the time?

EVERY top fighter with a competent promoter gets matched carefully. That's the nature of the game, and nothing that only AJ's group did. But he didn't wait 40 fights to face some of the other top guys.

Sure play the fanboy card. I don't consider Aj the best anything, never did. I'm a fan of the sport, can you say that, or you prefer just being naysayer?

Hell, you can't even stick to the topic. Point being, if Wilder and Fury were the top two, they should have faced more top contenders. Go drama queen to someone else....

 

Ortiz has done diddly squat. Hell, he lost to Ruiz as well. Ortiz being some monster was never proven in the ring consistently against top guys. Good contender, but that's it.

 

The post Klitschko era began November 28, 2015. Everything thereafter counts.