Fury and Wilder status in their own era

How can anyone look at Wilders resume and not say he was over hyped and very well managed. He didn’t fight anyone at all. His best win is Ortiz. All the big name he faced he lost too.

 

I said he had a meticulously calculated career, you diagreed.

Now you say "every top fighter with a top promoter gets matched carefully" oh. So it's on Eddie?

The bottom line is I don't want to see a fighter with that many 40 year old washed up big names who DIDN'T get in the ring with his chief rivals get applauded for "risk taking".

 

Wilder fought him when he was a feared power punching southpaw Cuban. He's a quality operator, Wilder took him out. You can't rewrite history.

He's clearly better than the B level, clearly not as good as the elite. Going life and death with Ruiz (Joshua's best win in 7 years by the way) in a close fight says it all. An argument can be made that Ortiz was well past his best and had been stopped by the time Andy got to him, and that he would've fared far better pre-Wilder. We'll never know.

 

Disagreed with how you put it. Look, like I said EVERY promoter does that with their star. Doesn't mean they are all equal. That should be common knowledge to anyone who's watched boxing for a long while

 

Not rewriting anything. Ortiz was a solid contender for a sec. That's about it.

agreed

 

It's not that great a victory. Ortiz built his reputation beating and aging Tony Thompson and Bye Bye Jennings, and the Thompson fight was tainted with a failed PEDs test which I believe they said was blood-pressure medicine. Neither are that impressive in the first place.

Not that good.

You can't change history.

 

Wilder barely has a better resume than ajagba besides fury draw and that was highly controversial