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   catchwtboxing Loyal Member

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   And I am not denying that he was good, but he's not what people make him out to be. He's what Corrie Sanders is to Vitali...Tucker is to Tyson...Rex Layne is to Marciano. He's the mythical "could of been" fighter that fans throw in there to big-up their guy. "You don't understand how good Wilder was because you don't understand that Ortiz was the division boogieman..."
   
   Ortiz was a pretty good fighter...lower end of top ten for the era.

    

   catchwtboxing, May 4, 2025

   catchwtboxing, May 4, 2025

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   Cojimar 1946 Boxing Addict Full Member

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   Plenty of guys face opponents in non title bouts that are comparable to the guys Wilder was beating. I don't think Washington or Molina or Szpilka are necessarily better than Sergey Kuzmin for example or Jerry Forrest

    

   Cojimar 1946, May 4, 2025

   Cojimar 1946, May 4, 2025

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