Fury ATG?

He needs to beat AJ, Usyk, Joyce, and some others to really have a valid claim. He might very well be capable of beating all of them and retiring undefeated, but he hasn't done it yet.

You can rank him highly H2H if you want to, but his resume is nowhere near ATG status yet.

 

I personally don’t rate any active, current fighter — especially one in their prime — as an ATG or try to assess where they might rank all-time until their career is over.

In short, we don’t have a complete picture.

Mike Tyson looks differently after Buster Douglas than before. Mike Weaver looks differently after the 1980s than he did after the Holmes fight. Hell, George Foreman completely rewrote his history with his comeback … although it would have been fair to assess him after he retired the first time.

(Fury has retired and unreturned about half a dozen times it seems, but he’s obviously still active.)

If Fury loses to Chisora and then lost a rematch and then drops 10 in a row by first-round KO, I don’t think he’s top 10 material. If he wins that fight and then beats Usyk he’s certainly in the discussion. Add AJ and some other scalps and I’d say he’s a lock, depending on what losses he might also incur along the way.

We don’t write history as it is happening. You don’t rate were a president ranks after 100 days or even after a first term if he’s reelected. A few years ago, some top sports pundits were saying ‘we’re going to see Patrick Mahomes and Jared Goff dueling at the top just like Brady and Manning for years go come’ — only it didn’t exactly play out like that for Goff. You need to see the entire body of work.

 

No, he doesn’t.

And his resume is not complete. How he compares to Holmes may look a lot different if he gets axed by Chisora. I don’t expect that to happen but he’s a work in progress.

 

Holmes had 20 successful title defenses. Fought and beat most top ranked men of his era. How does Fury have a better resume? Makes no sense.

If you count senior careers, Holmes's certainly adds to his resume. Still being good enough to earn title challenges at ages 43, 46, and 49 has to count for something. I do admit the ability to have a good senior career is fairly health dependent and fairly luck dependent (in being someone not susceptible to CTE), so I could see discounting it a bit in the resume.

 

If Fury did that, and then retired undefeated, one could also think about Top 5 ATG.

 

Like quite a few others I will wait until Fury has retired before I determine his place in heavyweight history. One or two more meaningful wins could clinch a spot amongst the high echelons. I already rank him the second best ever British heavyweight.

 

So call us when he has 12 more.

 

That's not how argumentation works. If you are making a claim that Fury is a top 10 ATG, then you need to explain why he deserves to be on that list.