Fury calling out on UFC champ Velasquez on Twitter

I don't understand. How does that make any difference?

I understand that are some guys that do that like, that Panamanian boxer who was calling out Juan Manuel Lopez before he got beat by that Litzau, but he had an ugly style that was only effective due to his innate athleticism and physical characteristics, (IE, he was signficantly taller and rangier than his opponents.)

Regardless, he would have been more effective if he didn't use that type of style. You'll find that the best boxers do not put all their weight on their front foot unless it suits them for that particular moment.

For instance, say I'm pivoting off my front foot but I still want to throw an impact hook as I pivot.

There is a scenario, but that hardly leaves you in a vulnerable position because you're moving out of the way directly after impact.

 

Honestly, I think he has a good shot.

Let's be realistic. Cain is hardly a martial artist. There is no art in what he does.

He's a punching bag that takes you down, and hits you in the back of the head.

Fury is a big strong, conditioned guy with good balance.

He ain't the best boxer, but if Cain can't take him down how he thinks he can, Cain will get stopped.

I mean, honestly, Can is just a strong bar fighter that can take a punch. No art in that. He's no Anderson Silva for example.

 

Cain just beat JDS... If he was able to take down JDS, what makes you think he won't be able to take down Tyson Fury? :rofl Let me tell you something man.. JDS, Mir, Nelson, Overeem, Bigfoot etc would all beat the dog **** out of Fury in an MMA match... Forget about Cain!

 

A professional heavyweight boxer + 4 oz gloves is a dangerous combination. Fury hurt Chisora several times and Chisora has a decent chin.

If Tyson caught him with a half decent punch he wouldn't be able to shake it off like he would with MMA strikes.

 

had a lot of trouble with kimbo slice's boxing mind

 

I think I laid this out for you before in the Savate thread didn’t I Roach?

I’m not saying they constantly put most their weight on the lead leg like Martinez does I’m saying most boxers work off the base of a 50 split depending on what they’re throwing & against an MT trained fighter 50% on you front leg is too much especially when you can’t bridge the range. Remember even the most aggressive boxers can be “controlled” or at least “managed” by kicks, straight knees counters and smothered in the clinch.

The Thai stance which some MMA guys kinda adopt is almost square on, a little squarer than a traditional boxing stance, but at kicking range with most of its weight on the anchored back foot giving you a sturdy platform to fight off and enabling you to strike with full power with every technique in your arsenal. If you’re almost square you aren’t restricted from using weapons on both the right and left of your body with almost equal power as you are in a side stance which you see often in the more traditional martial arts including boxing. Basically you can use both hands, both elbows, both knees and both feet in a split second depending on the situation all form one comfortable stance with most of the weight being on the back leg furthest away from your prey.

There are many reasons for most of the weight being on your back foot, mainly your back leg is your tree and you need to be able to counter with your lead leg fast without pulling it back. It’s also leaves your lead leg in a quick position to defend against round kicks high and low with ease as you don’t have to transfer weight. It enables you to use your front kick fast to jab and as an essential counter kick and to unset your opponent. It can be lifted quickly into a knee to break up an attempted clinch or punch combo as you lean back and push your arms out. But most importantly to this boxing relevant conversation, against an MT fighter your lead leg is a major and obvious target for damage, for setting up attacks or trying just in general to unset you and keep you off balance, so when it’s kicked you don’t want too much weight on it otherwise, it’ll be game over inside a round or you’ll be constantly off balance until you’re stopped. Like a good boxing defence a good MT defence t takes years to develop, a boxer has no idea how to defend against a kick or even how to avoid one, let alone how to defend the knee which is Kryptonite to a punch!

While we’re on the subject of legs and weight distribution with boxers, movement is often cited as a positive string to the boxers bow, but the movement integral to good boxing becomes redundant, nada, a negative. A slick boxer using his footwork to move in and out of certain ranges is causing himself massive problems against a Muay Thai fighter. The slick boxing in and out thing just doesn’t work if you are dealing with a guy who really knows how to throw straight knees a la Muay Thai. The lead knee counter is quick, more powerful than a punch and the boxer doesn’t see it coming. Combine that with everytime you jump out you are smashed with a lowkick to your lead leg where boxers tend to put at least 50% of body weight it becomes pretty tough for a boxer. Throw in everytime a boxer instinctively dips low in defense he falls onto a knee or tries to come inside to bang to the body he gets pulled into a clinch, smothered & pummelled with knees then released and hit with a quick elbow on the break life becomes even harder for the boxer. This aside from pummeling at distance from powerful round kicks that the boxer will out of instinct incorrectly block with his arms............

Shall I go on? There are so many reasons and differing scenarios as to why boxing is always going to come off second best against an unrestricted MT practioner or multi faceted MMA fighter with good MT skills.

Fury has very long legs and what look like weak knees, they'd be shattered before he even found his range.

 

Obviously not because mma hasn't been around his whole life and he started out as a pure wrestler

 

but he beats the kick boxer

 

http://youtu.be/qk4q-6kqeFU

The funniest man on the planet

 

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He'd have a viable chance at the kind of kickboxing Wlad used to do, basically powerless full contact Karate fused with boxing. But he'd struggle against what is essentially 'modern' kickboxing K-1 style as so much has been adopted from Muay Thai, including the boxing Kryptonite straight knee and of course the infamous MT round kick that would shatter his very long crystal legs.

 

''I am the ultimate fighting supremacy!'' :rofl:rofl:rofl

 

boran, I understand what you're talking about, but you got it wrong with Martinez. He occasionaly does put weight on his front foot, but only when it suits his style.

He has very good balance distribution.

Cabellero is a front footed fight. You can be a fluid, defensive fighter and have great movement, and while having excellent balance distribution.

An example of a purely defensive fighter that also has some powerful hands is Broner, yet it's easily apparent that he doesn't put his weight on his front foot.

That's a myth.

That is perpetuated by that video of the boxer that got his leg kicked out from under him. There is a reason he couldn't make it in boxing, and a big part of it is his balance distribution.

I have to say, I flat out disagree that boxing requires you to put your weight on your front foot, and believe that it's actually, quite the opposite, and it's typically detrimental to your success.

 

I also disagree with what you say about Fury. Against some styles he would have trouble, but Cain isn't one of those styles.

Cain isn't a great kick boxer. He's basically a mauling caveman that can take a punch.

I think Fury has a decent chance. This is heavyweight. Cain is not a skilled enough fighter for his skill to really factor in this match up.

It's different if you got a true skilled heavyweight where it's obvious and you can differentiate their skills.

Like at the lower weight classes for instance, such as Jose Aldo or Anderson Silva, but I don't see much tallent at heavyweight.

There is nothing that makes me say, "wow, these guys are incredible martial artists."

In Cain, I see a guy that uses his abiltiy to take punsihment and his strenght to maul his opponent get on top of them and punch them in the back of the head.

If Fury is strong enough to prevent take downs, what else does Cain have to offer?