Fury did worse in the rematch

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  1. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Personally I found Fury did worse in the rematch. I had Usyk up by 1 point in their first fight and by 4 points (as the judges did) in the rematch. In the rematch, Usyk landed the better quality shots while Fury had a hard time connecting cleanly. Anybody saw it the same way?
     
  2. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Similar effort but I thought Usyk won both fights , I thought the fight was a step down from the 1st,, as has been said other places this was a chess match and just as boring
     
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    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    In terms of the score cards, yes he did worse. But he also was never in the kind of trouble and on the brink of being stopped like he was in the fight fight. But then again he never had Usyk hurt like he did in the first fight.

    Fury did try to do something different. I feel he tried to fight this fight like the 2nd Wilder fight, stand his ground more, back Usyk up more but it didn't really work. A more stationary Fury meant Usyk didn't need to work so hard to get in range and had an answer for everything he did.
     
  4. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    Defensively better

    Offensively much worse

    Overall, probably worse. I re scored it and i have it 9-3 now. I had the first fight 8-4.

    Fury didn't land anything major in this fight. For him to win, he needed to attack with his right hand and he refused to do that.
     
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  5. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I scored both fights the same 8-4 but I don't think Fury had as many strong rounds as he did the 1st time. For example when I watched the 1st fight live I was a bit concerned for Usyk during the middle rounds as he look noticeably hurt from some body shots and uppercuts. I didn't get the same impression in their 2nd fight Fury was more cautious and wasn't able to ever really hurt or make a big impression on Usyk.

    I had Fury 4-2 ahead after 6 rounds in their 1st fight in the 2nd fight I had Usyk ahead 4-2 after 6 rounds Fury was nowhere near as effective early on as he was the 1st time.
     
  6. Joeywill

    Joeywill Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He definitley did better and fought a more physhical fight but it wasnt enough
     
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  7. Flo_Raiden

    Flo_Raiden Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The knockdown from the first fight changed everything to the point that it made Tyson more reluctant and show no Fury against Usyk to win the rematch.
     
  8. MagnificentMatt

    MagnificentMatt Beterbiev literally kills Plant and McCumby 2v1 Full Member

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    He was more defensively responsible in the rematch, so the rounds he lost he didn’t lose as definitively or get hurt, but he also seemed to not quite go for it as much.

    I think both guys looked like they’ve clearly lost a step in the rematch. I hope Usyk retires, would hate to see him lose to any of the other current heavyweights, they’re not even remotely in his class, but father time is undefeated.
     
  9. Dempsey Gibbons

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    To be fair, if it was a six round fight, I would have given the edge to Fury.

    There was a moment at :40 of the 6th when Usyk landed a short left hook that made Fury hold and hug him. At :35, Usyk got a big smile on his face because he saw the change in Fury. For the rest of the fight, Fury was more cautious and defensive.

    Usyk dominated the 2nd half of the fight with the exception of the 9th round where Fury fought really hard to make sure it would be different than the 9th of the first fight.

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  10. FrankinDallas

    FrankinDallas FRANKINAUSTIN

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    It only SEEMED like his better because he didn't have a disastrous round like 9 in the first fight. He had a ridiculous plan to try and outbox a master boxer. He didn't fight on the front foot because he didn't want another round 9. So he was inevitably going to lose.
     
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    KO KIDD Loyal Member Full Member

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    I agree with FD above but will say while he did not have the low of the 9th round, he also lacked the high of the 4-6 of the first fight. The rounds Fury won he nicked and did not have the level of dominance or do the damage he had done in the first fight.

    I scored fight 1 115-112 the night of giving Fury 3-6 and 12 but a re-watch the week of the rematch I had it 117-110 only giving Fury 4-6. I will admit the judges were all over the place in the first fight with all 3 giving Fury 12 and some giving him 2, 3 ,and 7 so there was some healthy debate on the scoring and some "I disagree but can see how you got there"

    This fight was unanimously scored 116-112 and I think that is about right where it is. The first 5 rounds were pretty competitive though I had Usyk ahead 48-47. Usyk dominated 6-8 and Fury won 9 and 10 but they not dominant rounds. Fury did none of the damage that he did in the first fight. Usyk won 11 handily and 12 was up for grabs but I felt Usyk closed it out stronger and won it.

    Fury was definitely better defensively and made adjustments that worked but he was unable to land enough punches to win rounds. He also threw more uppercuts in the first fight and more looping right hands around the guard. He seemed to really rely on the 1-2 and some digs to the body with the occasional uppercut. I do feel had Fury pressed a bit more in the 12th and in one or two of the earlier rounds he could have won this fight. Fury just cannot keep the consistent work rate of Usyk who is a machine in there. Fury fought well and made Usyk work for both wins but he lost both fights clearly
     
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  12. bobss

    bobss New Member Full Member

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    Fury's performance in the first fight was his best performance at a championship level outside of Wlad and Wilder2 imo
     
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  13. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    I’ve said this once before, the drama of the first fight was what it was in good measure because it involved pain and suffering for both fighters in varying degrees, lending to some see-saw action over the first 6 rounds.

    However, they’re human and both men likely didn’t want to endure that level of punishment again if they could help it.

    For one example of same in another rematch, see Ali’s path of least resistance strategy in the Frazier rematch - so much easier than the FOTC though Ali employed some very obvious illegal tactics to see his way through the 12 rounder relatively unscathed.

    I thought Usyk gassed a bit during rounds 4-6 of the first fight after a fast and highly aggressive start, throwing better leveraged power shots - somewhat unfamiliar territory for Usyk which caught up with him for a period before he gained his second wind.

    My guess is that Usyk didn’t want to hit that same lull again, therefore he was a bit more deliberately paced second time around - so Fury wasn’t under the same exact and immediate duress as the first fight.

    Usyk def. hurt Fury on multiple occasions in the first, not just in round 9. Round 9 was simply the crescendo that Usyk had invested in and had been building toward during rounds 1-3 and after he regained control from round 7 onward.

    Imo, it was gross mislabelling to identify round 9 as an abstract pivot and turn around in the fight - it was totally in step and in context with the foundations set and built upon by Usyk - reflective of an elite boxing IQ.

    Given the beard, ridiculously high trunks and greater defensive accent, Fury clearly didn’t want to experience that level of hurt again - and the added weight was 100% to increase Fury’s resilience if Usyk did get through with any power shots - which Olek still did and they still shook Fury.

    It was completely delusional for both Warren and Fury to suggest that Tyson was on the front foot for the whole fight.

    I can understand the first fight perhaps being perceived as better due to the drama - but the chess match vibe of the rematch with a good share of power shots thrown in was extremely compelling also - its different nature (as compared to the first fight) presenting itself as an almost apples to oranges comparison.

    Certainly, I wouldn’t call the rematch boring at all.
     
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  14. Guerra

    Guerra Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He did better but had less clear rounds than in the first fight. Which was a 8-4/7-5 or even 6-6 type fight with the kd sealing it as an usyk win.

    This fight was similair in scoring. He still lost a close clear decision. Its the same as with AJ but Fury did do better than him even of AJ didnt get dropped.
    It was somewhat even after 9 rounds but then Usyk pulls away in the end.
     
  15. tragedy

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    Fury had no firm concept of what he wanted to do in there. Box? Brawl? Spoil? Just looking like a lost little boy in there.