Fury does not really want to fight Wilder again

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  1. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    Wilder wasn't at his best in the 2nd fight. He changed trainers just like fury did after he nearly got kod in the first fight. Hence the intrigue. People were also curious if fury still had the hunger with all the court delays and covid.

    It was a business decision and a training decision. Fury clearly wasn't confident in his old style and changed trainers. Literally dozens of boxers have done this as a sudden reaction to losing or having a close call. This is common sense.
     
  2. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    But their actual boxing records are probably the most accurate and up to date, which is what he was challenging. Rankings are subjective, records are not.
     
  3. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    You seem to be way out of the loop. This was a very old thread someone bumped just to argue.

    I wasn't advocating for a fourth fight.

    And Wilder did give fury his props.
     
  4. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    Several posters have called you stupid and ridiculed you from what I've seen.
     
  5. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Again, there wasn’t any intrigue.

    From who?

    Where are you getting this from?

    Tyson systematically broke him down in the rematch.

    He beat him easily.

    It was an emphatic win.

    Wilder then took huge criticism when he said that his costume had affected his legs. It hurt his reputation.

    Nobody wanted to see a 3rd fight.

    The boxing world wanted Tyson to fight Joshua instead.

    Again, there were strong rumours that this last fight was initially delayed due to a lack of ticket sales.

    The only reason that we saw a 3rd fight between them was because it was contracted, not because there was a demand for it.
     
  6. West of Hollywood

    West of Hollywood Active Member Full Member

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    The infinite Wilder TKO theorem states that Wilder fighting Fury an infinite number of times will almost surely result in one fight where Wilder TKOs Fury. However, the probability that this will actually happen is so tiny that the chance of it occurring during a period of time hundreds of thousands of orders of magnitude longer than the age of the universe is extremely low (but technically not zero).
     
  7. BubblesUK

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    The worst part of it all was it made it clear he knew he had no good excuses.

    If he'd had good reasons (not familiar enough with the new trainer, not quite peaked, camp could've gone better, etc) for why he'd expect to be better next time he'd have said that instead of spewing nonsense about heavy ringwalk costumes and making accusations of cheating.

    The cheating accusations are actually worse in this regard, though, as they imply Wilder didn't believe Fury could've beaten him fair and square, so he had to have cheated - that kind of denialism suggests Wilder felt he was fully fit and ready.
     
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  8. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    I think just as importantly, the magnitude of the beatdowns Wilder took in #2 and #3 would suggest he'd be extremely likely to sustain significant damage from trying over and over like that - he might have a 1/10 or 1/20 chance of knocking Fury out, but with every beatdown his odds will get worse.

    In that sense, it's not a fixed probability, his odds would be exponentially decreasing, even with Fury's unfortunate habit of fighting down to the level of his opponent.
     
  9. AdamT

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    Judging is subjective too

    Wilder's draw with Fury was a robbery, just like holyfield v Lewis
     
  10. BubblesUK

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    You could argue Fury-Wilder #1 was a more clear robbery than Holyfield-Valuev... And ain't many you can say that about.
     
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  11. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    There was intrigue. From wilder fans. From boxing fans. People on YouTube and other forums. I get around and talk to people and read comments.

    There's an ongoing thing with fury fans where they view their perspective and narrative as the only "correct" one and ignore what other people say.

    Wilder was NOT at his best in the 2nd fight. It was obvious. He never looked like that before or since. The proof is that in the third fight he looked way better despite the fact fury had shaken off the ring rust and was even better than the first two fights. Regardless of whether the excuses were valid it was obvious wilder was not at his best. Fury changed trainers and had tune ups and looked better. It was only fair to allow Wilder to do the same and attempt to reinvent himself.

    The lack of sales had a lot to do with the constant delays, court dates, and the covid issue (in case you didn't notice we had a global pandemic and a lockout of fights for like half a year?). But people keep ignoring that to stick with their narrative instead of using common sense.

    Honestly these discussions are so annoying because people cannot be objective and literally just repeat the same talking points everyone else made with no critical thinking or original thoughts. A limited but hard hitting exciting HW shows up to shake up the division and people find every reason to hate him. It's mind boggling. No he isn't going to be the next Mike Tyson, so ****ing what. Just shut up and enjoy the knockouts. He proved in his last fight he isn't a ***** and got off the floor several times trying to wind despite being as tired as a race horse. It is what it is.
     
  12. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    No it wasn't. Fury only landed 13 more punches than wilder. He was dropped twice. Several rounds were close. Many of the blows fury landed were glancing or hit the gloves/elbows. He did a lot of shifty movements and showboating and goofy faces but that did not mean he was controlling the pace or winning every single round.

    The stats do not lie. He barely outlanded wilder. His face was marked up and bloody.

    In the entire history of boxing no Challenger ever won the championship after being decked twice in separate rounds.

    Get over it.
     
  13. navigator

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    Threads/posts like the OP's will continue to be made about Tyson Fury.

    And, to quote Thunder Road, that's alright with me.
     
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  14. BubblesUK

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    You cannot be serious?!

    Fury looked awful in the third fight, nowhere near as fit or sharp as he was in #2 - he didn't need to be as it turned out, but let's not pretend he was in top shape.

    I'm not convinced Wilder was out of sorts in #2 either - he was bullied, yes, and lost his equilibrium after the clip, yes (and it can happen to anyone) but if he was injured or not at his best he wouldn't have made such poor excuses or made allegations of cheating.
     
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  15. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    Ironic, given you seem to be regurgitating ldbc bull and taking Fury's word for it that Wilder is the #2 heavy (despite it not being possible for him to know that).

    You're just repeating yourself and not engaging with any novel arguments or framing... And then you come out with this sanctimonious horse****? Give me a break!
     
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