Fury does not really want to fight Wilder again

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Glass City Cobra, Oct 14, 2019.


  1. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    The same Ortiz people said wilder was too scared to fight, then gave him no credit after he beat him? That Ortiz? Do you really want to go down this route?
     
  2. Glass City Cobra

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    And continued fighting till the 11th round like a warrior in spite of his exhaustion scoring two knockdowns.
     
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  3. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    Yeah thats the one
    And sure why not
     
  4. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    He did well to do so well after gassing 100 per cent
     
  5. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    I'm not mad at all, I'm glad we got a 3rd fight because it was amazing. One of the best slugfests of all time. I actually gave Fury lots of credit in a far more recent thread.
     
  6. catchwtboxing

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    I would argue that you are doing the same. Reality is not always what we think. It is like Plato's metaphor of being in a cave and only seeing the shawows on the wall. Glass City...dare to look towards the sun.

    I posted a number of quotes from Holmes in which he admitted to ducking fights. I can't remember them ver batum, but they were to the tune of "I like fighting little guys for big money," and "If they want me to fight they have to give me someone I can beat." I am not going to re-litigate this today, but Larry purposely ducked fights and bragged about it for history to record.

    In any even, this thread is about your belief that Fury was afraid of Wilder, when the entire rest of the world minus two other posters knew if wasn't true. I have already given you kudos for admitting that you were wrong and that stands.
     
  7. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    Well you could have simply expanded your vocabulary. You could say "wilder did not truly get a draw" or something to that effect. But you said reality as if this what actually happened historically. You used the word wrong plain and simple.

    I am not remotely doing the same thing. As far as I know I haven't used any words incorrectly or attempted to rewrite history.

    None of that justifies calling him a coward tho. This just goes to show you have a strange history of misusing words. We're talking about a guy who got dropped by shavers like he got shot and got off the floor to win. Fought a prime Mike Tyson while past his prime. Jumped off a van to drop berbick in a brawl.

    You can call him an opportunist, a weasel, dishonorable, or any other term to criticize his maneuvering around the division. But he absolutely was no coward. More importantly, I always find it hilarious when guys on the internet say outrageous things about literal pro fighters who could turn their lights out with a single shot.

    Well we could have moved on from that but you bumped this 2 year old thread just to stir the part and now you're offering phony compliments. You had to have bookmarked this thread or something because if you clicked on my profile to find recent threads started by me you had to have seen the one where I gave fury tons of props and praise and even said he is now undoubtedly top 10 h2h.
     
  8. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This is gibberish.

    Again, a distinction without a difference. You can call him whatever you like. If you are more comfortable with opportunist...dishonorable...weasel...then I officially retract calling him a coward and call him a dishonorable opportunist and weasel. Whatever.

    You can move on if you like. That is up to you.
     
  9. Glass City Cobra

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    It's you running from reality, which is incredibly ironic.

    The distinction makes an enormous difference. You can be brave AND do dishonorable or opportunistic/sneaky things.

    At least you finally admit it makes no sense to call him a coward. A bizarre label for a guy like Holmes who showed incredible fortitude in and out the ring.

    Of course. But you can't bump a 2 year old thread calling someone out then acting surprised when they carry on the discussion.
     
  10. catchwtboxing

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    You keep saying so, and yet no one cares. All you are accomplishing in going in circles is bumping the thread.

    I have already said I will be happy to call him dishonorable, weasel, etc.

    I do disagree with you that it is possible to be brave in the ring and cowardly out of it in terms of who you are willing to fight in the first place, but my retractions stands as long as we acknowledge that Holmes acted in an extremely dishonorable fashion throughout his career in way that hurt boxing.

    Sure, carry it on. And on, and on, and on.
     
  11. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    I actually don't care that you have no clue how to use basic terms and want to ignore the historical records of the bout. It was funny pointing it out. At no point was I attempting to win anyone's favor or validation.

    It was about money. Had nothing whatsoever to do with "cowardice". Holmes literally came off two losses and a layoff two jump in the ring with prime Tyson as soon as he saw all the zeroes in the dotted line. Like do you not realize how dense you sound right now?

    You literally asked for this the moment you bumped my thread.
     
  12. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No concern of mine whatsoever. The bottom line is still that it was idiotic for you to think that Fury was afraid when he beat Wilder three times.

    Except that it wasn't "If they want me to fight they have to give me someone I can beat" is about fear of taking a loss. But I have already digressed.

    Asked for what? I hope the thread goes on forever. I will probably take a break for the night and answer your answer tomorrow. It can go on forever as far as I am concerned.
     
  13. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    Well you're clearly the idiot in this situation for either not knowing or forgetting this thread was made before fury fought Wilder 3x. :lol:

    Clearly Holmes was not some Mayweather like diva worrying about losing if he's hopping in the ring with a prime Tyson in his 40's after a layoff. Obsessed with money? Sure. Coward? That is by far the dumbest and least appropriate label you could give the man. You think he was scared of Pinklon ****ing Thomas and Tony big tits tubbs but he was willing to fight Ray Mercer, Hoylfield, and Tyson when he was far past his best?

    Well the record will forever show that you called Larry Holmes of all people a coward and were so stupid you thought that I believed fury was still scared of wilder even after 3 fights not realizing the timing of this threads creation.
     
  14. NEETzschean

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    Richard Dwyer saw it too back in 2011. He picked Chisora to chop Fury down but an about to turn 23 year old underdog Fury instead won 9-11 rounds against a 27.5 year old Chisora for the British title. After that he was sold and said Fury could beat Wlad in a few years. 6 months later Chisora gets robbed in Finland against top contender Helenius and gives Vitali his toughest fight since Lewis, pushing him all the way in Germany. Steward made his predictions about Fury after Vitali-Chisora and having seen Fury spar in his gym, so I regard Dwyer as being more prophetic.
     
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    Beating Usyk is much more impressive because he's historically unique, not a B-grade Wlad like AJ. It's ideal that he cannibalises AJ, Fury-AJ was always a ridiculous mismatch.