Fury does not really want to fight Wilder again

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Glass City Cobra, Oct 14, 2019.


  1. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    DirtyDan,

    Tyson did a complete psyche job on Wlad before they fought.

    I've never seen Wlad look so uncomfortable.

    How many times have you seen Wlad use foul language?

    How many times have you seen him shave his hair on the sides, after Tyson commented that he was old and grey?

    Wlad didn't know how to respond to Tyson's theatrics.

    Tyson told him to his face that he'd beat him and he recounted what Manny Steward had said when he went over to Detroit on his own, unannounced when he was younger.

    Wlad was extremely uncomfortable and his behaviour was totally uncharacteristic.

    Yes, Tyson didn't rematch him. But we know that he had personal issues going on. It's not like he swerved Wlad to fight anyone else. He had 3 years out, ballooned up in weight, and took drugs and drank himself into a stupor.

    Trying to claim that he ducked a rematch out of any sort of fear is ludicrous.

    The fight being dull is completely irrelevant to this discussion. But the reason it was dull is because Tyson kept feinting him as he knew how reluctant Wlad was to let his hands go. Although it was horrible for us fans, it was the perfect gameplan for Tyson.

    People say that Wlad was unmotivated, but he was very fired up at the end of the presser, saying how he was going to make Tyson eat his words etc.

    Again, your opinion that Wlad drove Tyson to drink and drugs because he wasn't confident on beating him again is ludicrous.

    Do you seriously believe that a guy who went over to Germany to beat him, didn't think he could replicate the win? So much so, that it sent him off the rails?

    Come on now.

    What do you mean it means absolutely nothing?

    What on earth are you talking about?

    He's just signed a huge deal with ESPN that's worth over $80m.

    How does Fury fighting bums make the rematch bigger?

    Why do you think?

    EXPOSURE.

    You don't think his theatrics make headlines?

    Coming to the ring dressed as Apollo Creed and then singing an Aerosmith song afterwards in the post-fight interview?

    How common is that?

    We now live in a world obsessed with social media.

    Those antics went around the world, even to non boxing fans. It made headlines.

    No comment on the WWE?

    Yes, it's a circus. But it's HUGE.

    How many homes is it broadcast to?

    Again, it's all publicity. It's all exposure.

    The WWE fans are fanatical. And you can bet that even if they're not boxing fans, some of them will watch the Wilder rematch now they're familiar with him. That's what happened to Mayweather. And that's the whole point of him being there. Arum and ESPN are pushing his name as much as possible. They're airing documentaries on him and having him appear on late night talk shows etc. Although Schwarz and Wallin are low level guys, he's appeared live twice in front of a U.S. audience, all of which means that he'll be more known for the rematch than what he was for the first fight, when the U.S. public had never seen him live or in the ring for a 3 year period.

    I respect your opinion, but you'll have to eat your words. Because the rematch will definitely happen. I've listened to numerous interviews with Tyson, Arum, Frank Warren and Ben Davis. And they have all given a clear picture of what their plan is. I cannot understand why people think it won't happen. It's bizarre. Nobody goes to that much effort, where a guy like Warren comes together with a legendary promoter and a huge sports network where a specific plan is put together, for them not to fight again.
     
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  2. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Why do you think he's participating in the WWE?

    It's exposure.

    A plan that's been agreed by Arum and ESPN, which will raise his U.S. profile in order to make the rematch bigger than the first one.

    A pretty simple but highly effective business strategy.
     
  3. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    It's unbelievable how naive you are.

    A scared man?

    Ha!

    Do me a favour.

    Who dropped how many stones, to come back and fight a fighter considered by many to be the world's most dangerous HW, after 3 years out and 2 low level tune ups?

    How many guys would have lost that amount of weight to come back at all when they were financial secure for the rest of their life?

    How many guys would have come back and jumped straight into the ring with Wilder?

    How many guys would have gotten up after that shot?

    Yet he's scared?

    Behave.

    The guy has come back, took a huge risk, pulled himself up off of the canvas, and then signed a 5 fight deal with a huge company, in the hope of rematching the same guy.

    Have a word with yourself man.

    You are being ridiculous.

    Again, Arum and ESPN have a strategic plan that's been put in place in order to raise his profile to make the rematch a big event.

    Stop being so dramatic and wise up to the business side of the sport.

    Regarding Tyson's interview, that's what he does.

    If you really think he's serious, I can't help you.

    Go and listen to his other interviews, along with Arum, Warren and Davis.

    Being a frustrated fan is one thing, but claiming that he's scared and that the rematch will not happen is absolutely laughable.
     
  4. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    That's literally impossible.

    Even if we go by your logic that Fury got up and did enough to dominate the rounds where he got dropped, you can't "win" a round that's scored 9-9. That would be called an EVEN round. You're an idiot.
     
  5. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    There's nothing laughable about it at all. Fury can say whatever he wants, Arum can plan and plot all he wants. I look at a person's actions and behavior.

    He had a boring fight with a 40 year old man, getting the nod by decision. Instead of a rematch, he disappears and binges on drugs and fast food.

    Literally ducked a rematch with a 40 year old gunshy man with a glass jaw for years but he's a hero for willingly taking drugs, getting out of shape and ruining the division.

    No he most certainly did not lose the weight and jump right in there with wilder. He had 2 tune ups against bums first. He had a close fight where his face was marked up and he was brutally dropped twice. Worst beating he took in his life against a guy he claimed was a bum and everyone said he'd demolish. That's psychologically damaging.

    Then he has the nerve to say he easily won and was robbed, ignoring the official verdict. He is not an example of being "gracious" after a bout.

    It does NOT take a year+ 2 fights against nobodies to rematch a guy you thought you beat. Again, mayweather, ward, Ali gave rematches in close fights.

    The wwe bs is simply him creating an exit strategy in case he goes down and can't get up this time.

    When i say scared, i don't mean that he's terrified of wilder the human being. He's a prideful man who did all this boasting and now he has his foot in his mouth and backed himself into a corner. He's scared of being humiliated and become another stiverne/brezeale highlight reel. He's clutching onto his "lineal" title to lie to himself and act like he's still the champion. He's scared of losing the limelight and big paydays. This is really basic psychology, im surprised you cant see through these antics.

    Mark my words, if they rematch and wilder destroys him early he will disappear from the sport like a ghost.
     
  6. Richard M Murrieta

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    It kind of reminds me of when Muhammad Ali took on wrestler, Antonio Inoki, on June 25 1976, in Tokyo, Japan, while preparing to fight Ken Norton, on Sept 28 1976, in Yankee Stadium. The only bad risk was that Ali suffered bruising about the legs, spent time in the hospital, fight was endangered, almost postponed. But I do see your point.
     
  7. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    Aww, do you want me to acknowledge you and engage with you? All you have to do is...SHOW ME the post where i said i was greatly knowledgeable about boxing. Shouldn't be that hard. No im not gonna let it go as long as you keep stalking me. Otherwise, you're an obsessed liar. Me liking wilder isnt "proof" of anything. I havent edited any of my past posts, go for it buddy. Go and find this blasphemous statement of mine even though ive literally acknowledged that other posters are more knowledgeable than me!
     
  8. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    Yeah because brezeale followed through on those charges and sued wilder, right? That wilder and a group of people just randomly attacked him out of nowhere for "no reason"...? It's Nonsense.

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  9. Loudon

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    Avoid?

    Behave.

    It's not even a year since they last fought, and Wilder is happy to tight Ortiz again.
     
  10. Heavy_Hitter

    Heavy_Hitter Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This, Fury got fuсked up big time. He lost his confidence and almost lost against a low ranked fighter in his last fight.
    Wilder KOes him in rematch.
     
  11. NoNeck

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    Took me a solid 30 seconds to scroll past Loudon’s fanboyisms without reading.
     
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  12. DynamicMoves

    DynamicMoves Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Guys just sit back and enjoy the Fury roller coaster. The man is the exact opposite of AJ, exciting outside the ring and boring inside.

    Will he fight Wilder? Who knows? Not even Fury knows.
     
  13. Loudon

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    Glass City Cobra,

     
  14. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    The circumstances are very different.

    Ali was silly to take that fight at that stage.

    He obviously didn't need the exposure as he was a global icon.

    Tyson needs the exposure and unless there's an accident, he's not likely to suffer a serious injury in the WWE.
     
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  15. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    How can Wilder KO him in a rematch if Tyson is fearing for his life and he doesn't want it?
     
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