Fury finally talks...and he's delusional as ever...

Denial...cognitive dissonance...self delusion...whatever you want to say.

Got his ass kicked and he knows it.

 

It's fine if he's putting on an act, trying to sell himself as this confident, happy-go-lucky chap who was never really bothered about becoming undisputed or preserving his precious 0.

However, he seems to fully believe every word he says here. If I were a Fury fan, I would be very concerned. This is Wilder-level delusion. He lost because he was having too much fun? Usyk only won three rounds? The judges favour Usyk, so he needs to knock him out because no matter how much he 'boxes Usyk's head off,' he'll never win on the cards? Dear oh dear. It seems Usyk has already badly damaged the poor sod's brain. The fact is, Usyk landed almost 200 shots on him and hurt him more than he was ever hurt in a boxing ring before. If he doesn't get rid of these delusional ideas, he could seriously get hurt. He is like a drunken idiot who climbs into the lion's enclosure in the zoo and babbles, "I want to pet the little kitten, it's fine, it's just a little kitten, what are you talking about, what do you mean it's dangerous?"

Fury fans, you better hope that whatever brain damage Fury has clears up by December; otherwise, Usyk will hurt him so badly it could permanently affect his life.

 

I wouldn't even give Fury the rematch hes a classless clown and doesn't deserve one how anyone roots for this guy is beyond me.

 

Tyson No Class Fury. How he still has fans is beyond me.

 

I am reminded of what the late, great heel wrassler Scott Hall once said:

"When you're the bad guy, you let him beat you in the center of the ring with his hold. Then you come out next week and say you won."

 

Disappointing. Needs to own his loss and get back in the gym.

 

Hm, this is bad news and bad signs for his rematch hopes. Sugar Hill will probably confirm this narrative and tell him he just needs to land a RH early on and then they'll have an early night and go partying at the Camel Club.

 

What I would say to Fury is that there were other rounds besides just 8, 9 and 10 that were good Usyk rounds some of which were scored to Usyk others which are arguable for Usyk. So Tyson believes that in his mind he won the match 9 rounds to 3. which would add up to 116-111 Fury. On the other end of the spectrum there are those who scored it 9 rounds to 3 in favor of Usyk which adds up to 117-110.

It's open to interpretation as to which score is more delusional - 9-3 Usyk or 9-3 Fury. I know, Usyk fans, you'll say 9-3 Fury is more delusional, but all I'm saying is it's debatable, and that there is an arguable path of 9-3 for each fighter, in that there were 3 rounds that each fighter definitely won, which would be Fury in rounds 4-6 and Usyk in rounds 8-10. The other 6 rounds (1-3, 7, 11, and 12) are not as clear cut, and could be argued for either fighter.

So in that sense (and I'm sure some Usyk fans will disagree, and that's fine) I would say that Tyson arguging he won 9 rounds is no more delusional than those fans who scored it Usyk 9-3, as most saw this as a very narrow Usyk win, either 114-113 or 115-112, and saw Fury jump out ot a significant lead at the mid-point (either 4-2 or 5-1) and then saw Usyk mound a furious comeback starting at the end of round 7.

So Fury is entitled to his argument that he won 9 rounds in the same way that Usyk fans are entitled to argue Usyk won 9 rounds. Due to how debatable rounds 1-3, 7 and 11 and 12 were, there's a path to 9-3 depending on how you saw those rounds.

 

They were not debatable at all. [url]Look at the Jabbr stats which the most accurate way to score boxing fights (endorsed by Turki Alalshikh himself).[/url]

Fury only outlanded Usyk in two rounds. Usyk scored more high-impact punches in nine rounds. Usyk was the pressure fighter in all twelve rounds. Fury won only two rounds, and if you are very, and I mean overly generous, you could maybe give him round four, where he matched Usyk for the number of high-impact punches. He was outlanded in total punches, and Usyk was pushing the action in that round too, of course. But let's say you are only interested in high-impact punches and you liked Fury's punches more out of the equal amount of shots they landed. That's three rounds, and even giving Fury three rounds, you are already pushing it. It wasn't a close fight; it wasn't even a particularly competitive one. Usyk dominated, with Fury winning two rounds where he worked and punched much harder than was good for him. That's why Usyk broke his nose in the eighth and knocked him out in the ninth.

Jabbr uses a 360-degree camera system with all sorts of sensors and whatnot. It's not guesswork what they do, and their system will be the norm to be used in boxing in a few years. There's a reason Turki Alalshikh wanted to use their system at his event. And he did; these are the official punch stats. It's not some guys pushing buttons in real-time sitting at ringside where they can only see things from a certain angle. This method has no bias, no favourite fighters; it can't be bribed or bamboozled by showboating. Fury won two rounds, three if you are overly generous. These are the hard, cold facts backed up by data.

 

It was definitely a close match, and it was a match that Fury appeard to be in complete control of after round 6, and throughout most of round 7. In fact, it was starting to look one-sided in favor of Fury and it was looking like Fury could win it wide until Usyk came on at the end of Round 7 and started what can only be described as a miraculous comeback from that point on.

That's not to say that you couldn't argue Usyk won 9 rounds if you were a big Usyk fan looking for reasons to score any remotely close round to him. I personally gave Usyk 1, 7, and 11, while I gave Fury 2, 3 and 12 and I ended up with 114-113 Usyk. Some had it 115-112 Usyk, others had it 116-111 Usyk, and some had it 117-110. But that was pretty much the widest you could argue for Usyk due to how strong Fury was in rounds 4-6. it seemed the most common scores were 114-113 Usyk or 115-112 Usyk.

Basing your scoring on supposed "Jabbr" stats is absurd, your claim that Fury only won 2 rounds and 3 was pushing it is insane. He clearly won rounds 4-6, we've already been through this. In the aftermath of the match there was a very enthusiastic Usyk fan who claimed Usyk won 10-2 as he initially scored round 4 to Usyk before through my intervention he realized he scored it wrong and finally admitted Fury did in fact win round 4.

So no, Jabbr stats are not a reliable way to score matches, boxing matches are scored not by compubox, and not by "Jabbr" stats but by human beings. Fury clearly won rounds 4-6, Usyk clearly won rounds 8-10, and the other 6 rounds were debatable. That's the hard, cold facts not your Jabbr report.

 

Was not "close" and not many rounds were debatable, especially by compubox:

The categories by which fights are scoredvary a bit from federation to federation, but the classic categories are as follows:

Effective Aggression
Clean/Hard Punching
Defense
Ring Generalship
and
Knockdowns and point modifications

NOW...

Uysk outlanded Fury in 2, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12

HOWEVER, he also outlanded Fury in Powerpunches (vs jabs) in 1,2,7,8,9,10,11,12. 3 and 4 were even in powerpunches, and Fury won 5-6. Thus, Usyk could have potentially stolen round 1, whereas it is much harder to make the argument that Fury stole any round with clean/hard punching.

That is at least 7 rounds to 5 on effective aggression and clean/hard punching. Possibly 8-4.

Usyk scored the knockdown for one extra point in the ninth for a 10-8 round.

So, with the most objective categories and metrics, Usyk was up by at least 3, maybe 5 points.

Now, defense and ring generalship are harder to measure...I don't think any case can be made that Fury dictated the pace of the fight, as he was running away and being outlanded.

Is anyone making a defense argument here? Usyk outlanded Fury 170 to 157 overall, and outlanded Fury in power punches by a whopping 122 to 95.

So, based on the metrics of boxing, it was good fight, and Fury had his moments, but no, not the razor thin fight some are talking about, and there is no argument at all that Fury won or even drew.

 

That's probably the least intelligent post I've ever read here. Jabbr, a method approved and applied by Turki Alalshikh, is absurd, and scoring by human beings is better/more accurate, lol.

If you gave Fury rounds 2 and 3, then you should watch another sport because you clearly don't know what you are looking at in boxing. Basing scoring on Jabbr, meaning the accurate number of punches, is absurd? You simply don't know how boxing rounds are scored then.

[url]Here's a video for your convenience. Just download it and watch it (in fact, anyone can download it and watch it). [/url]It is a summary of all the punches from rounds 1-3 and 7, the rounds casuals and Fury apologists debate over. Sounds removed, commentary removed, showboating removed. Nothing but the punches in slow motion, many times zoomed in, without influencing factors such as crowd cheering or commentators getting excited. Just the punches. Count them for yourself—who landed what, how many times, how significantly, etc. There's also an explanation thrown in for you to understand how exactly boxing rounds are scored as per the rules. Hint: all four of these rounds were all Usyk and they were not even close.

 

You're making my argument for me. According to Compubox, Fury outlanded Usyk in 5 of the first 6 rounds. As I said, rounds 1-3 were very close and hard to score. I gave Usyk round 1, and Fury rounds 2 and 3, but I made it clear that I was very conflicted about round 2. But the point is that none of the first 3 were clear rounds for Usyk, and the Compubox figures support that.

Now, in rounds 7 and 11, according to Compubox, Usyk only outlanded Fury by a single punch in each of those rounds, and in round 11 the % was about even. The problem for Fury in Round 11 was that once again Usyk came on late and in my mind stole a round that Fury was close to winning before the strong finish by Usyk, similarly to how strong Usyk finished in the preceding 4 rounds. In round 7, jabs landed were even and Usyk landed exactly one more power punch, 10 to 9.

So you're conveniently glossing over how even rounds 7 and 11 were in terms of compubox, rounds that by the way I gave to Usyk but only by a hair. Compubox numbers aside, in round 7, Fury was well ahead in the round until a furious rally by Usyk near the end of the round impressed me so much that I gave Usyk the round. But in no way can you ignore how well Fury was doing over the first 2½ minutes of Round 7 before Usyk came on late in the round.

There's a human element to scoring and although Usyk was credited with landing significantly more punches than Fury in Round 12, the difference was (as opposed to rounds 7-11, each of which were rounds that Usyk finished strong) in round 12 Fury ended the round better, and during the round while he was outlanded, in my view he defended himself better and landed the more flashy eye catching shots.

So there's arguments either way when it comes to who won rounds 1-3, 7, 11 or 12. I'm saying you can find reasons to score each of those rounds Usyk, likewise you can argue each of those for Fury.

But even if you disagree with that, your citing Compubox numbers doesn't help your case at all that it was not a close fight or was one-sided in favor of Usyk, since each of those rounds besides round 12 (1-3, 7 and 11) were each extremely close in terms of the landed compubox numbers. You're arguing that because Usyk outlanded Fury by either a single punch or 2 or 3 more punches, that those rounds were clearly his rounds is ludicrous. The Compubox numbers support my view of the match far more than it does yours. It shows how close the match was. Not only did Fury outland Usyk in 5 of the first 6 rounds, which suggests that Fury was ahead at the midway point, you also have rounds 7 and 11 in which Usyk only landed 1 more punch then him. Further, Fury was the volume puncher, throwing far more punches than Usyk.

It's not hard at all, and by the way I gave Usyk round 1, which was pretty much a toss up round. If you paid attention to the post fight aftermath, rounds 1-3 were hotly debated and there were a pretty even split on who everyone thought won those rounds. Of course there were a few Usyk fans who scored 1-3 to Usyk, but the vast majority of fans saw these as close rounds and many gave 1 or 2 of the first 3 to Fury. 3 and 4 were even in power punches, but Fury landed 3 more punches overall in both of those. So those figures support Fury winning 3 and 4, not Usyk which you seem to be arguing. Round 2 is certainly arguable for Usyk, but given how close round 1 was, and that I gave that to usyk, and given how well Tyson did down the stretch of Round 2, it's certainly arguable to give Fury rounds 2-6 as I did. But it's clear that Fury started pulling away in rounds 4-6, and even through most of round 7 until Usyk ended that round strong starting his comeback.

So I'm afraid you're in the minority of how one-sided you thought it was. And that's fine, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that, but on the other hand it's not a conclusive argument as fan scoring and compubox are contrary to your view.

170 to 157, however Usyk landed 12 more punches than Fury in round 10 alone. So outside of round 10, Usyk only landed 1 more punch than Fury throughout the other 11 rounds. In the other 5 rounds (1-3, 7 and 11) they both landed the same amount of punches in total, and in none of those rounds did one fighter have a significantly landed punches advantage.

So what that means is that outside of rounds 8-10 (rounds that we all agree Usyk clearly won) in the other 9 rounds (rounds 1-7 & 11-12) Fury outlanded Usyk by 15 punches. Further, Usyk outlanded Fury by 8 punches in round 12.

So Usyk outlanded Fury significantly in 4 of the 12 rounds (8-10 and 12).

In the other 8 rounds (1-7 and 11) Fury outlanded Usyk by 23 punches.

I wouldn't say it was "razor thin" just that it was close. As Eddie Hearn and many other said, it was a tale of two halves. Fury won the first half of the match and Usyk won the second half of the match. And I would say that Usyk had bigger moments in the 2nd half, particularly in rounds 8-10 than Fury had in the first half. He clearly had Fury in more trouble than Fury had Usyk in trouble. In totality, it was a close match. I wouldn't call it razor thin it was pretty clear to me that going into the 12th Usyk could lose the 12th and still win the decision, which he did on my card. And maybe scorign the 12th for Fury was generous to Fury, but I have my reasons and explained why I did, and I wasn't the only one who gave that round to Fury depsite the 8 punch compubox advantage for Usyk in that round.