Fury finally talks...and he's delusional as ever...

I had the fight 116 - 111 Usyk. It was competitive ... But you can have a competitive fight with a clear winner. I've said before that I'd prefer both to move on - I don't really feel the need to see a rematch, but here we are.
Fury is the one with something to prove - as he was before he fought Usyk the first time. Usyk was \ is a big threat. Fury knew it, and that's why he avoided the fight. If he can win the rematch he should be given a lot of credit.
But I don't think he will. And the interview here is quite, quite delusional. I don't think that is a good sign. He needs to own and accept the loss, not make excuses.

 

I gave my summary of the round I await your response

 

Effective Aggression - Usyk
Ring Generalship - Fury
Defense - Mixed Bag
Clean Effective Punching - Mixed Bag (Usyk in the first two minutes, Fury in the final minute)

I didn't say it was a clean punch, I said it landed through the guard. To be more accurate, we should say was partially blocked and partially landed.

Haha, you must have missed the Canelo Bivol debate over shoulder shots. What happened there was that several eccentic posters tried to lecture me about how shoulder shots couldn't be scored after I counted Canelo's bicep bombs on Bivol as landed punches, shots that resulted in severe bruising of Bivol's bicep I might add. Well then we went to the rulebook and lets just say that it didn't end up too well for the shoulder shot deniers. They went through various stages of denial before finally admitting that yes shoulder shots can be scored.

So once again, yes shots to the shoulder can be counted as landed punches, and further as you'll see, our Usyk fanboy friend who I'm debating Round 2 with counted a Usyk shot to Fury's shoulder as landed, so if we're counting shoulder shots landed on Fury, we gotta be consistent and also count shoulder shots landed on Usyk. And again, the rules make it very clear that shoulder shots can be counted, so there's no denying that at this point.

Yeah, ring generalship.

Unclear if it landed clean, looks like it may have grazed him. Not an effective shot, but possibly did land. Good head movement there from Usyk.

Didn't say it was clean, appears to just graze him. I point out these possible grazes because our Usyk fanboy friend's video had several clean Fury jabs called "grazes" when in fact they landed clean. These two from Fury were possible grazes. Not significant shots but could be counted as landed if we're counting punches.

I don't know if it was better than anything Fury landed up to that point, but it was defintely a good body shot.

Not the only clean punch he landed but maybe the best one so far.

Well I made it clear that Usyk was defintiely ahead after the first 2 minutes, he clearly landed more clean punches and the better punches over the course of the first two minutes. The problem for Usyk was the punches that he got caught with in the final minute, not what happened in the first two minutes.

Glad we agree.

OK.

Yes, my thoughts exactly.

 

A far more balanced and respectable view than most here.

Fury needs to make some serious changes to the people around him, acknowledge the loss and come back hungry for victory. Too many yes men and distractions around him.

 

Ring Generalship was Usyk he was forcing Fury back the entire round and controlling the center of the ring. His defense was also better he defended more of Fury's punches then the reverse

I looked at the rules and you're sort of right:
"ARMS: Most often the arms are considered to be defensive mechanisms. Punches landed directly to the arms should not be considered scoring punches, unless they are high up on the arms."
Not sure what they mean by high up on the arms but still its not a clean punch and shouldn't be counted as much as clean shots to either the head or the body which we seem to agree Usyk landed more.
It seems we generally agree with the second minute of the round so I'll wait for your response on the last minute

 

OK.

It's hard to tell for sure, it may have been partly blocked, partly landed.

The camera angle makes it hard to tell how well it landed, Usyk may have got his left elbow on to it, or maybe it hit the belt-line, I've watched it several times, I can't tell due to the camera angle.

This was a clean punch. Bounced right off his forehead. Fury is starting to get into a rhythm and starting to find the range with these jabs.

Once again, I didn't say it was a clean punch, I said it landed, after hitting some gloves. Partial block, partial land.

Yes we can, we've been over this and this has been well established.

As Fury is starting to take over the round your'e starting to nitpick and look for reasons to discredit some of Fury's landed punches. This was a hard right hook, it wasn't a slap and Usyk guard didn't take some off of it. Stop simping for Usyk, this was a good power punch by Fury, well placed. Even you admit it was clean.

All 4 landed. Even spravedlivylev admitted 2 landed. You say 1.

You must be joking. The first punch skimmed across the top of his belt-line, barely landed. If you're calling all those jabs from Fury not clean because it "barely touched him" then this barely touched Fury too. Yet I'm counting this as a landed punch, and you're counting this as a landed punch. So if you're counting this as landed, then you're not being consistent. Fury's jabs earlier in the final minute that you didn't count were better than this graze across Fury's belt-line. But as part of a 3 punch combination I consider it a scoring shot.

Now the second punch, appears to ricochet off Fury's left shoulder before possibly skimming the side of Fury's head. It definitely hit the shoulder, and if it skimmed Fury's head, it barely had any impact to the head if at all, but as part of a 3 punch combo, I'm counting it as a scoring shot, as it bounced off the shoulder and possibly barely skimmed the face off the ricochet. I mean, if you consider this landing clean to the head, then you need to count those Fury jabs, as they were cleaner then this particularly if you don't count shoudler shots as landing clean which you've claimed, since this clearly bounced off the shoulder and after that maybe only skimmed the side of the head with no impact whatsoever. But again, I'm counting this as a scoring shot, because shoulder shots can be scored.

Now the 3rd punch in this combo, the left had, upon closer inspection, I do see that it appeared to bounce off the head, before connecting with the shoulder. So yes I agree with was a clean head shot. But again, I already counted this as a landed shot.

So, to be clear, both the 2nd and the 3rd shots in this combo hit the shoulder. The second shot hit the shoulder first, then possibly skimmed the head, with practically zero impact to the head, while the third did connect to the head, before ricocheting off the head and bouncing off the shoulder.

The third punch in this combo was the best of the three punches, the first punch barely skimmed the belt-line, the second bounced off the shoulder and barely landed to the head. By your scoring of some of Fury's jabs which you claim werne't clean becuase they barely landed, then you should only be counting the last shot as landing clean. If you count all 3 of these as landed, then you need to count those Fury jabs which you didn't to be consistent.

It bounced right off his forehead, yet you deny it landed clean. You're starting to unravel here in this final minute desperately trying to deny multiple good Fury punches.

Maybe so but this punch landed harder and better than any of Usyk's body shots. And more importantly, Fury is starting to close the gap and leaving a lasting impression in the minds of the judges that he's coming on strong to end the round.

 

OK

Clean in the sense that they connected weren't block but weren't significant as they had no impact.

Bad angle but can telll it landed clean.

A decent punch it seemed.

It's part of ring generalship.

Partial block, partial land. Not clean, but connected, and was effective.

Yup.

That's debatable. It landed harder and with more effect than anything Usyk landed on Fury throughout the entire round. So yes a punch that big can offset several less impactful lighter clean punches landed by Usyk earlier in the round. And more importantly . . .

It was super hard, it hurt Usyk and this was a round-changing punch.

And then to punctuate the round, Fury landed a good jab right at the final bell. So the Furious One was being outboxed over the ifrst 2 miunte of this round, Usyk was ahead but in the final minute Fury landed a number of big impactful shots that left a lasting impression in the minds of the judges and arguably was enough to win him this round. 2 of the 3 judges scored this round to Fury and it surely had to do with how well Fury performed over the final minute.

Still, as I said from the beginning, I was very conflicted over this round, as it was a very good round from Usyk with steady work over the first two minutes, but he just got caught with some big eye catching shots down the stretch which swung the round in favor of Fury.

I agree that throughout the round Usyk landed more clean punches, but Fury out jabbed Usyk to the head and landed the hardest punches of the round.

So yes Usyk landed more clean punches, mostly to the body, but Fury finished the round strong and landed the harder shots. This is what makes the round hard to score. You can certainly score the round to Usyk based on more clean punches landed, mostly body shots, but the harder shots were from Fury, Fury outjabbed Usyk as well, many of which you're trying to deny landed clean. Also Fury threw a lot more punches, even though he landed a lower percentage, he threw 33 jabs, he was pumping the jab, some were blocked, some didn't land clean, but he clearly outworking Usyk throughout the round.

But I agree if we just score the first 2 minutes, that's a Usyk round, but then in the final minute Fury came on strong and landed some great punches, making it a very close round at the bell.

 

Fury was the matador, Usyk the bull.

There you go. And now that you know that shoulder shots can be scored, you should go back and re-credit Fury with some of his shots to the shoulder that you denied. By the way this is the same problem that people had about Bivol Canelo Rounds 1-4. They tried to discredit Canelo's bicep bombs as a means to say he has no argument he won the rounds. Now granted, Canelo's bicep bombs on Bivol were far more significant than Fury's shoulder shots on Usyk in Round 2, or even the one Usyk shoulder shot on Fury (the 2nd punch of that 3 punch combo in the final minute, that you counted by the way) but the point is that shots that hit the shoulder or the upper arm (bicep) can in fact be considered scoring shots and can be a determining factor in the scoring of a close round.

 

Reeling off crappy comments immediately postfight, is wrong by a losing pro boxer, but emotions at times override correct etiquette, however to utter such crap in cold light of day seriously is inexcusable, it is showing a childish self centred mentality.

Fury is a disgrace.

 

He is right in one thing, he didnt take all rounds seriously. Had he won only one more round, one, he would have won the fight. He's an idiot.

 

He's absolutely right about this much, at least: there was someone in that contest that did only win three rounds.

 

Fights are based on who landed more clean and effective punches and we agree that was Usyk and he landed plenty of hard shots especially in the beginning and to the body. Two hard punches at the end of the round and a few clean jabs (most of the jabs he threw were blocked or glancing blows as I showed) aren't enough to overcome this. Throwing more doesn't matter if you're not landing CLEAN punches which you admit Fury wasn't so its a pretty clear Usyk round. Winning 2:30 mins of a round and getting caught with 2 punches at the end aren't enough to steal a round unless its a punch that knocks someone down or visibly hurts them which Fury's were not. Therefor there's no argument for Fury winning this round.

 

Usyk was the one forcing Fury on the backfoot with his constant feints and pressure it wasn't Fury intentionally doing so a few feints from Fury doesn't offset this.

Nope because again they're not clean punches I count clean punches. And the one Usyk landed was on the head not on the shoulder.