Fury finally talks...and he's delusional as ever...

So you s**t on Jabbr, a cutting-edge, state-of-the-art technology to count punches but quote CompuBox stats which is two guys sitting at ring side, pushing buttons in real time while only seeing the action from a seated position and a single angle.

Brilliant.

 

One of the least likeable men in boxing and that’s saying something

 

Where John Fury?!

He is the one I want to hear

 

For an awful lot of Usyk's career, he was a local, amateur boxer, if you were from his region. I don't think you can blame Fury for pointing that out.

 

Not at all, I was responding to catchwtboxing who brought up the compubox figures in an attempt to use them to justify his view that Usyk won wide. The compubox numbers clearly supposed the fact that it was close on a round by round basis.

We can sit here and debate Compubox vs Jabbr all day, but I don't need that to base my score around. The fact is that the vast majority of fan scorers saw this as a very close match. Some had it wider for Usyk, but most had it close. There's nothing wrong with being in the minority when it comes to how wide you saw it, I've been there many times. But don't act like the majority of fans saw this as a wide one-sided Usyk domination. No, most saw it for what it was, a fight that Fury was having his way with usyk for the first 6 or 7 rounds, until Usyk turned it all around starting at the end of round 7. That's what happened, and most recognize that's what happened. Those that had it wide for Usyk are Usyk fans and in my view biased, but at the same time I wouldn't call it unreasonable to have it 9-3 Usyk as there is a path to that. My whole point was that Fury giving himself 9 rounds is no more delusional than those who gave 9 round to Usyk. And again, if you disagree with that, fine. Some will disagree with that, but most won't as most saw this as a very even fight that was either 6-6 or 7-5 Usyk, with 5 or 6 rounds that could have gone either way.

 

Well 2 of the 3 judges gave Round 2 to Fury. and 1 of the 3 judges gave Round 3 to Fury. If you look at the fan scoring of those rounds, there were a very competitive split between how those rounds were scored. I personally was more confident scoring Round 3 for Fury than I was Round 2, and I made it clear that each of the first 3 rounds were extremely close and could be argued for Usyk. So I'm not sure you understand my position on these rounds. I'm saying rounds 1-3 were each close and debatable, and this is not an unreasonable position to take given how hotly debated rounds 1-3 were amongst fan scorers.

OK thanks for the link, I may take a look at that, but I've already studied these rounds pretty closely and have a good sense of what happened in the rounds and how close they were. Round 7 was a strong Fury round until the late rally by Usyk which in my view caused him to win it. Rounds 1-3 were not easy rounds to score and there's no way that watching your video will cause what happened to be different than what I already observed on my own. It is humorous to see you lecturing me on how to score, while arguing that rounds that most fans agree were close you claim weren't even close, depsite near even compubox numbers in each of those rounds and a healthy split amongst fan scorers.

I would say learn to score yourself and not base your scores on Jabbr numbers. That's not how boxing matches are scored. Scoring requires a human eye and no amount of AI or robot scoring is ever going to be better than human scoring. And if you think it does, then you clearly don't know how boxing is scored and how boxing has always been scored - by human judges!

 

Lol. Are you serious? A local boxer who won the European championship in Liverpool, the World Championship in Baku, and the Olympic Gold in London? An amateur who has been a professional for over a decade and became undisputed in two weight divisions? Are you really trying to justify such a disparaging remark as legit?

And @Rumsfeld , shame on you. Your backhanded, sneaky hating and disrespecting on Usyk here is repulsive. You always side with comments that are at least borderline insulting to Usyk, such as this one. Yet, you make videos about him and promote your YT activities with him. Absolutely disgraceful.

 

I have broken it down for you...Usyk won by at least three point, probably more like five, by the objective metrics of how fights are scored. That is not to me particularly close.

 

What a ridiculously bad take. Do you know how unreliable and inconsistent scoring can get with the human eye only? I can't believe you seriously said that. Shall we get rid of Hawk-Eye in tennis and VAR in football as well while we're at it?

Shockingly bad post.

 

Yikes. Now you're going after Rumsfeld. Shame on you. He had the same score as I did 114-113 Usyk, as many fans did. He even did a video on it. It was a close fight, you're trying to turn it into something it wasn't, based on your apparent super fandom of Usyk. Give it a rest, you're embarrassing yourself now.

 

Don't even get me started on VAR, but last time I checked human beings still score boxing matches so your attempt to deny reality is seriously misguided and deluded.

 

And this right here is one of the sole reason why people don't like this piece of s****.

Where is all the AJ haters that was hating on him, for his behavior in the ring after the Usyk 2 fight? At least AJ never claimed he won the fight and was robbed. Never talked bad about Usyk. And he apologies after that a couple of times to Usyk.

I know he will be a sore loser, his whole family is like that. Just look at his father for example ....

Imagine running all night, getting smacked around the ring, never really do anything outside of 2 rounds, and claims you won the fight, when you were running all night and eating lefties for dinner ....

Usyk outlanded him in 10 rounds in both total punches and impactful/power ones. Clearly the effective aggressor, took the center ring from the very first second, clearly the Ring Generalship, and put huge pressure on Fury from the get going.

You don't have a single case for winning.
This was a clear 9-3, 8-4 at worst fight. And if you wanna be real accurate, more of a 10-2 fight, than anything else than that. As there was just 2 close rounds, and still by boxing criteria Usyk did better.

 

Wrong. The compubox figures show how close rounds 1-3, 7 and 11 were. I'll give you that Round 12 Usyk had a significant landed advantage, and yes Usyk had a significant advantage in power punches landed overall. But most of Usyk's power punch advantages were in rounds that we all agree he clearly won. In several of the rounds that you claim Usyk won (i.e. 3, 4, 7) the power punches were very even. And of course I'm not claiming that you couldn't argue Usyk won the rounds in which he landed more power punches. In those rounds Tyson was out jabbing Usyk but Usyk landed a few more power punches and in situations like that it comes down to what you prefer. Often a single clean, flashy eye catching power shot can offset being outlanded.

Simply put, I understand your stance on how wide you thought it was, but your citing of compubox numbers on a round by round basis does not support your view, it supports the view of it being far closer than you thought it was.

 

I don't give a damn about his scoring the Usyk-Fury fight. I was talking about his despicable hypocrisy. Here he is, agreeing with a post that is trying to argue why calling Usyk basically a local fighter is justified, yet he promotes his YT channel by making videos about Usyk. Tell me, how is that okay or honourable behaviour?

 

I think you are misunderstanding definitions for intentionality. If you are from Louisville, where they make bowling bats, Muhammad Ali is a local boxer. In Germany, the fractured nation of my youth, now a bustling metropolis, Sven Ottke spent much of his career in boxing as a local amateur. There are no negative connotations to being local, or amateur that I know, unless they are those of which you have merely suspected. It is like a picture of a nude woman. It is only pore no graphic to you if you are sexualizing it. Otherwise, that is art. You have to interpret it as pore no graphic.Ottke, Usyk, Ali, these are great boxers with incredible achievements on paper and some of them are very good in other areas such as dance and film.