Fury finally talks...and he's delusional as ever...

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  1. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Stats from the best unbiased source, so all of the fangirls can go to bed.
    DeepStrike AI Live Stats from Round 1 to 4:

    Fury - Usyk
    Thrown:
    Round 1: 32 - 23
    Round 2: 39 - 27
    Round 3: 50 - 33
    Round 4: 59 - 55

    Landed:
    Round 1: 5(this is Fury) - 13(this is Usyk)
    Round 2: 9 - 13
    Round 3: 10 - 14
    Round 4: 9 - 15

    High Impact:
    Round 1: 1 - 2
    Round 2: 1 - 4
    Round 3: 0 - 2
    Round 4: 2 - 2

    Through Round 4 the total stats were this:
    Fury - Usyk
    Thrown:
    180 - 138

    Landed:
    33 - 55

    High Impact:
    4 - 10

    Pressure:
    24% - 65%

    Aggression:
    16% - 21%

    Turki Alalshikh personal wanted DeepStrike AI to score the fight LIVE and paid for it. They used 4 cameras with perfect angles and view.
    This is their criteria for the above numbers:
    • Landed
      Total number of punches that each fighter landed.

    • High Impact
      Total number of punches that landed cleanly with power and visible effect.

    • Thrown
      Total number of punches thrown.

    • Pressure
      Percentage of round displaying pressure towards opponent. Pressure indicators are: Having opponent on the ropes or in a corner. Moving forward and making opponent move backwards. Staying and fighting in close or mid-range.
    • Aggression
      Percentage of round displaying aggression towards opponent. Aggression indicators are: Throwing first and/or last punch in an exchange. Throwing punches with high power-commit. Throwing punches in combinations.
    Now Shadows and his alt can go to sleep. We all know Shadow why you hate such unbiased 100% accurate system, and the reason is, your fanHero Canelo and all of your cheater athletes get exposed badly, and your lies are easily debunked.

    And yeah DeepStrike has scored both of Canelo - GGG fights, and had both of the fights for GGG clearly. Now shadow can cry some more tears.

    There isn't a SINGLE aspect of which you could give Fury a single round from the first half. Outside of the thrown punches, which is also an indicator for having worst Accuracy and a Usyk had a way better Defense, which is one of the Boxing scoring criteria, aka:
    • Defense: How well is a boxer slipping, parrying, and blocking punches? Good defense is important.
    Usyk smash Fury in every single department and it's not even close.

    Again you can try to milk it as much as you can, the Boxing is scored over:

    Landed punches, Clean/Hard punches, Ring Generalship, Effective Aggression, Defense, Pressure, which was all the way Usyk.
     
  2. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I just downloaded it, the problem with your video is it doesn't show the whole round start to finish. It only focuses on certain snippets of the round. Scoring a round involves watching it start to finish, uninturrupted.

    What I will do is rewatch round 2 start to finish and break it down for you.
     
  3. spravedlivylev

    spravedlivylev Haaaappy Neeeew Yeeeear! banned Full Member

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    It contains all the shots, mate.
     
  4. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    My alt? @lufcrazy that's funny, me and luf have had our share of disagreements over the years, claiming he's my alt is an absolute riot.

    As far as Canelo GGG, it's humorous seeing you try to use AI to argue GGG won. Too bad for your GGG couldn't get the job done, and no amount of copium AI is gonna chanv that. Continue to wreck yourself though.
     
  5. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Where the heck someone said that Fury was smashed pillar to post for 12 rounds, exactly? How about not twist someone words, should we?

    As far as the comparison with the AJ. AJ did the same, he was looking good in the middle rounds, landed some big flush shots on Usyk, and then gets dominated in the later rounds. Exactly what happen.
    Don't remember the second fight, but in the first fight, AJ clearly won Round 5, 6 and 8. This was his only rounds, even though judges magically give him more rounds, which wasn't the case, as he clearly won only 3 rounds, and lost 9.

    Second fight i give him 3 rounds as well, but don't remember which ones.

    I gave Fury between 2 and 3 rounds. Fury clear rounds was 5 and 6, and that was it. With the 4 been close, and that's it.

    As far as we gave Fury s****, well he is doing it to himself. Look at the first page and his video. What do you expect fans to say to this delusion?
    It's not helping when the British Media and his acolytes trying to lie through their teeth for Fury as well.

    He wouldn't have get any s****, if he wasn't acting like a s**** for the whole time, and even more now.
     
  6. tealt

    tealt Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It was a close fight. I don't see any delusion on thinking he won the fight. At least one judge scored it for him in 8 out of the 12 rounds. Same for Usyk though. Has any boxer admitted losing a close fight? Its kind of like judging your own beauty contest.
     
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  7. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 Woke Moralist-In-Chief

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    It's all over these boards. People don't like Fury and that's absolutely fair enough. He's very annoying and been an awful standard bearer for boxing with his nonsense. Nobody gave him more crap than me when he made the likes of Chisora 3 and Ngannou but I don't allow that to cloud my judgement as to what occurred in his actual fights.

    My biggest problem with him is him refusing to make fights rather than how he performs once actually in them. The rounds Fury was losing he wasn't losing by huge margins. Joshua was not in the rounds he was losing at all. He looked totally outclassed.
     
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  8. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Watching the official version of Round 2. I'll use your video as a supplement where needed.

    The first 30 seconds of Round 2 was all Usyk, a great one two with Fury on the ropes, then the body shot, and then two more body shots at 2:32. At 2:31 Fury connects with a jab as Usyk was landing the straight right to the body, you didn't count that. Then you claim that the Fury jab at 2:29 that your video says "missed" actually landed. It only grazed the forehead, but it definitely connected and should be counted as a landed punch if we're counting punches. Not a significant punch by any means, not anywhere as good as the 5 clean punches Usyk landed in the first 30 seconds, but definitely a connect to the forehead.

    Then we have the jab to the face by Fury at 2:23. Usyk with a body shot 2:19.

    Usyk with a body shot 2:01 then another at 1:58.

    Fury with a hard jab at 1:56.

    Your video skipped over several punches from Fury moments before while he was in the corner. Fury appeared to land another jab then a chooping left hook connected before the hard jab.

    Yes Usyk did get in another right to the ribcage, Tyson's right uppercut mostly missed, but may have grazed the shoulder or side of head. Could be counted as a connect.

    Now up to this point, Usyk was definitely ahead in the round. He started the round well, landed more punches over the first minute or so of the round, he had Fury backing up and Usyk was the effective aggressor early on in this round. But lets see how the round progresses over the final 2 minutes . . .
     
  9. Shootlow

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    He's a bully so I doubt it, some of those kids will be willing to stand up and fight back... he won't want that smoke.
     
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  10. Shootlow

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    I'd still say Usyk hurt him more. Fury went down heavy against Wilder but got up to boss the rest of the round without looking buzzed at all. Usyk had Fury hurt. If that round had gone on another 20 seconds the ref would have waved it, Fury was cooked.
     
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  11. UmarIFLUmar

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    Happy new year Tyson :yaay
     
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  12. Pepsi Dioxide

    Pepsi Dioxide Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Just curious, anyone else notice right before the scores are read Frank Warren tells Fury he lost and Fury says "your shitting me?"
     
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  13. Sugar 88

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    I don't think so. He'd have gone over for sure but out? We've seen Fury recover from knockdowns and that would definitely factor into a referee giving him more leeway than they probably would another fighter in the same situation.

    I also think it's interesting how people who wanted Fury stopped rather than given a standing count downplay how much Uysk was hurt by the body shot from Dubois. He was in all sorts of trouble there and totally conned the ref into giving him that low blow call.
     
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  14. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    Messing around early doors
    Solid middle rounds
    Then got concussed and I doubt he has much memory of the rest of the bout. He recovered well as he does but the end rounds he did win were very close...again hands behind the back in round 12....why. Both were more tired than normal from round 6 onwards and it became a bit of a slog. Usyk's little second wind basically won him the bout by a good margin. Fury never really got one which he typically does.

    Don't know why we have people here analysing rounds to the nth degree, slow motion, AI, alien technology....who cares. It was a fun competitive fight with very high level operators. Not a bodybuilding bum pawing out a jab.
     
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  15. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    @spravedlivylev Round 2 continued :

    Now at center ring, about 1:50, Fury starts feinting Usyk, results in a jab landed by Fury through the guard. It was a double jab, the second missed, the first landed. Your video says the first missed, no it definitely landed through the guard.

    Fury jab at 1:42 clearly landed to the shoulder. Your video says it missed. Wrong. It landed.

    Fury starts clowning Usyk, puts both hands behind his back and bobs and weaves. Fury jab blocked, follow up right hand misses.

    Fury jab at 1:29, Usyk tries to slip it, but it appears to connect to the right side of Usyk's head. Your video says it missed. Hard to be sure.

    Fury Follows up with a jab (blocked) then the left hook, you say missed, once again Usyk does well to slip it, but like the other one, appears to graze him somewhat.

    1:26 good jab to the body by Usyk.

    1:22 jab by Fury blocked.

    1:16 hard jab landed by Fury.

    1:12 good one two from Usyk.

    1:10 Good jab by Fury

    1:06 Double Jab from Fury, both blocked.

    1:00 Good jab to the Body by Usyk

    Usyk is definitely winning this round with 1:00 remaining.

    0:58 Jab to the body by Usyk. Hard to be sure from the angle but it sounded like it landed.

    0:54 Jab from Fury through the guard. Not the best angle, your video says "Possibly Blocked" No, that one landed pretty good between the gloves. Fury throws a second jab, that second one appeared to be blocked.

    0:47 Fury right uppercut to the body, your video says "Possible Blocked" it's hard to tell from the angle, but it looks to have landed and landed hard.

    0:44 Fury jab your video says "barely grazed him". It landed, bounced right off the forehead.

    0:43 Fury jab lands through the guard. Your video says "blocked". It may have hit some gloves but it defintitely got through and connected to the head. That's a connect for me.

    0:43 Fury jab to the shoulder / upper arm, you say missed. We can count that as a shoulder shot.

    0:43 Hard right hook from Fury lands to the ear around Usyk's guard.

    Just right there at 0:43 on the clock, that's essentially a 4 punch combo from Fury. You claim only 2 landed, when really all 4 landed.

    0:35 Good 3 punch combo from Usyk with Fury in the corner. All 3 landed. Notice how you counted the 3rd punch in that combo which landed directly on to Fury's shoulder. If you're gonna credit Usyk with this shoulder shot, then you gotta count the shoulder shots from Fury earlier in the round, which you didn't. Gotta be consistent. :deal:

    0:30 Fury jab was blocked, followed by a one two from Fury, both were blocked.

    0:26 Fury jab your video says "Barely grazed him". No that landed clean, bounced right off the forehead, more than a graze.

    0:26 Then Fury lands a hard right uppercut to the rib cage. Your video was correct in noting that "both guys connect" however Fury's punch was far more impactful. Usyk landed a little right to the head, Fury connected hard to the rib cage. So that was not an even exchange, that was an eye catching shot from Fury that certainly caught the judges eye.

    0:20 Left hand by Usyk towards the body, can't tell if it landed due to the angle. May have been blocked by Fury's arm / elbow.

    After a series of missed punches by Usyk when Fury was bobbing and weaving . . .

    Usyk connects with two light jab at about 0:19 seconds. Your video missed this. These were "grazes". They probably weren't counted by Compubox and they were insignificant to the scoring of the round, but they did connect.

    0:15 Fury lands a good jab to the chin, neck area on Usyk. Your videos skipped this. This jab landed better than the two grazes by Usyk at 0:19.

    0:14 Fury throws another jab, our view of it is completely blocked by Fury's body. This may have been another landed jab by Fury. Or not, impossible to know from this angle.

    0:13 Effective feint by Fury, gets Usyk to flinch hard.

    0:12 Fury jab, partial block, but did connect to the head.

    Usyk jab lands to the body

    With Fury's back to the ropes, Usyk tries a left straight, Tyson skillfully evades it and the punch misses short. Then Fury lands a massive right uppercut to the body. It's punches like these that catch the judges eye.

    The crowd reacts big time to that punch, that was a round-changing punch. Then Fury ends the round with a good jab to the face right as the bell rings.

    This was a round that Usyk was doing well, he started the round strong, with that great one two, he landed a lot of nice body shots, but the harder more impactful more eye catching shots were from Fury. This was a round that Usyk was on his way to winning, but Fury arguably won down the stretch with those hard eye catching shots.

    As I predicted, your video skipped over numerous Fury landed punches and others were described as missed that actually landed.

    This was a very close round, a round that Usyk was definitely winning, but as I stated, and as was confirmed by this review, in the final minute, Fury started catching Usyk with big shots that were very effective and eye catching.

    I gave this round to Fury but as I said, I was very conflicted about this round as Usyk did in fact land a lot of good body shots as evidenced by the punch summary. But Fury landed the harder shots, he was out jabbing Usyk to the head. So after review, my view of this round hasn't changed. It was a very close back and forth round, a round that Usyk arguably did enough to win, but the way Fury finished the round catching Usyk with those big shots left a lasting impression.

    And to show my consistency, Round 7 was sort of the opposite, it was a round that Fury was in control of for most of the round (as Usyk was here in Round 2) but then Usyk came on strong in final minute with big eye catching shots and that was enough for me to swing the round to Usyk, despite the fact that he was being outboxed and outlanded for most of the round.

    This round was sort of the opposite, Usyk was in control of most of this round, outlanding him to the body, in addition to some decent combos, but down the stretch of the round, Fury's hard eye catching shots made the difference.

    When a round is competitive, as this round was, despite the fact that Usyk was ahead after the first 2 minutes, Fury kept it close enough to give himself a chance to edge the round with a strong finish to the round, as he did. Usyk did a similar thing in Round 7, a round that many people gave to Fury but I gave to Usyk, because of how well he finished the round.

    So again, Round 2 was a very good round for Usyk, a round that I have no problem with you scoring for Usyk. But it was not a clear round for Usyk given how well Fury did in the last minute, with all those jabs and hard eye catching shots. With the feinting, with how many times he skillfully made Usyk miss. Fury showed a lot of ring generalship in that last minute, and in that last minute he clearly landed the better harder more eye catching shots. But to Usyk's credit, he did land some nice body shots and kept on Fury like a pitbull.

    But Fury did just enough for me with those round-changing shots to steal the round with a strong finish. But a good round by Usyk overall, who controlled the first 2 minutes, it was definitely a round that could be scored for him, but he just got caught too often with jabs and big eye catching shots down the stretch of the round, that for me swung the round to Fury.
     
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