Fury has better resume than AJ

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  1. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Active Member Full Member

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    Wilder and Chisora are both x2, plus the Wilder "draw". I guess SRR shouldn't get any more credit than LaMotta for the results of their 5 fights because they both beat each other lol.

    AJ had already been badly exposed by fat Andy.

    We'll get more mental gymnastics from them when Wallin schools Whyte in 3 weeks.
     
  2. anthoto1

    anthoto1 Active Member Full Member

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    Contrary to AJ, Tyson Fury is not in the losing business.
     
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  4. Safin

    Safin Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    No amount of "top 10" puddings like Breazeale, Martin, Molina, Pulev, Takam, Parker, Ruiz et al. can override Fury's top level wins on away soil.

    He has also not been beaten twice, and once by a mediocre opponent.

    It's a no brainer. A record must be weighed up with wins and losses.

    He is BY FAR the best!
     
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  5. Pugilist_Spec

    Pugilist_Spec Hands Of Stone Full Member

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    I rate Furys resume higher because he doesnt have any losses.

    But IMO Joshua is proven against a far more varied comp at the top level and beat a lot of different styles. Pure boxers, pressure fighters, big punchers you name it.

    Fury beat Wilder and Wlad who both are somewhat glass cannons very reliant on their size and Fury shut them down because he is bigger than them. I think a tough, fast paced smaller guy would give him hell.
     
  6. Wildcat

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    Yes and it's not even close. AJ has the location advantage, he got battered in his first away bout. His career is all over old and shot fighters.

    Fury's victory trio over Wilder is greater than AJ's career.
     
  7. Unforgiven

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    It's funny how "Ruiz" is regarded as an elite level win for AJ mainly because he beat AJ !
    Ruiz went into the fight unranked in most reasonable top tens, but destroyed AJ, so suddenly he's an elite win in the rematch! That's the logic!?
    AJ gets rewarded for needing 2 fights to beat the fat mexican?
    I like Joseph Parker, but he's at best prime-Chisora-level, as is Ruiz, and Whyte is no better (certainly not 2015 version).
    Takam is probably a notch below.
    Povetkin was 39 years old. As was Pulev. In their primes, neither of them were a match for an aging Klitschko.

    AJ has a fine record and he's willing to fight anyone, but people have been listening to Eddie Hearn too much if they think the resume is clearly the best in the division.
     
  8. Safin

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    Top level? He has faced a retiring Klitschko and Usyk coming up from cruiser that can only be considered "top level".

    Ruiz, Parker, Pulev, Breazeale, Martin, Takam, Povetkin can't be considered top level. That's laughable!
     
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  9. jmb1356

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    People seem to have forgotten what an upset it was when Fury not only beat Wlad, but dominated the fight. Wlad hadn't lost in over 10 years.
     
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  10. Man_Machine

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    Bowe and Holyfield might disagree; as might Ali and Frazier, if they were here.
    I'm sure both Johansson and Norton had wished they'd been the official winner of two, rather than one of their three bouts against Patterson and Ali, respectively.

    A more varied spread of mediocrity is still only mediocrity.

    The only the guy on Joshua's list, who could have been considered remotely dangerous, at the stage Joshua was at in his career, is 'Last Hurrah' Wlad - and this is a bit of stretch, based only on Wlad's ability to make a serious impression against Joshua (which is more than can be said for his go against Fury). Wilder I, II & III were each more dangerous than a 41 year old Wlad.

    And, Joshua was actually stopped by one of the remaining names you highlight - an unranked fighter, (Ruiz Jr), who gained a ranking, courtesy of Joshua. If you're evaluating resume, that has to count against AJ, surely?
     
  11. Unforgiven

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    Whyte was not rated as a world class fighter in 2015. He was British level at best, and not as good as Chisora at that point in time.
    Martin was not, as is not, a genuine world class fighter. Far from it. Possibly the worst IBF heavyweight belt holder ever.
    Breazeale and Molina were not genuine world class. These are the same 'bums' Wilder gets crucified for defending against.

    Klitschko was a good fighter, he was once a great fighter, but already dethroned by Fury 17 months earlier, no wins in the meantime, had not won a fight in 2 years, had not looked good in his most recent win two years earlier against Jennings.

    Takam is fringe contender level, was perhaps borderline top ten at his best, on substitute notice, somewhat past his best. Took Joshua into the 10th round and lost on hometown stoppage. The next fight, was KO'd in 5 by Chisora.

    Parker barely got past Hughie Fury really, and struggled for 12 rounds against Cojanu FFS, but took Joshua the distance.

    39 year old Povetkin might be Joshua's best performance. But Povetkin was never more than a distant #2 in his absolute prime, when Klitschko was already old.

    Ruiz is same level as Parker or Chisora, has nothing exceptional on his pro record apart from the beatdown of AJ. Took AJ the distance in the rematch. Struggled with a 40 year old Arreola since then.

    Pulev
    was obliterated by Klitschko in his prime, when Klitschko was 38 and Pulev was 33. AJ took on a 39 year old Pulev and KO'd him. As is the case with the Povetkin and Klitschko wins, AJ's best wins are old men.

    Some of these fights have clearly been over-hyped. The opponents over-rated and over-marketed, convinced some people they represent a higher level of opponent.
    It's a fine record. But nothing outstanding.
     
  12. Naked Snake

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    He fought a journeyman, then a gatekeeper, then dethroned a champion. All in three fights.
     
  13. Felix Sanchez

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    Fury needs to be fightly solely top 10 opponents from now on. There has been too much filler or complete inactivity for long periods.
     
  14. DancingLeftAndRight

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    Tyson Fury now has a better resume than AJ imo, with two stoppage/KO wins over Wilder and a draw in the first that most people think he won as well.
    AJ has lost two bouts.

    Fury dethroned Wlad in Germany, has 2 wins over Chisora, who is still giving contenders problems, including a stoppage and a stoppage of Cunningham. Thing is, Fury has bounced back from his troubles, gone and based himself in the US and took on their best HW, a big punching danger man and beat him.



    And the Lord said: Let There Be Fury!

    :D
     
  15. Malieke.H

    Malieke.H New Member banned Full Member

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    Fury record no better. He beat Klitschko duck rematch and fight Tuscaloosar three times but who Wilder beat ? Wilder fraud. 40 old Povetkin probably ko Wilder but Wilder might chin Whyte