Fury is now looking like a candidate for GOAT.

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  1. Power_tek

    Power_tek Boxing Addict Full Member

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    UKAD's position is that the anti-doping rule violations it has asserted have been committed and the consequences set out in the UK Anti-Doping Rules should apply. Tyson and Hughie Fury's position is that they have never knowingly or deliberately committed any anti-doping rule violation. ‎In recognition of the respective counter-arguments and the risks inherent in the dispute resolution process, each side has accepted a compromise of its position.

    The proceedings have therefore been resolved on the following basis: the anti-doping rule violations based on the reported presence of elevated levels of nandrolone metabolites are upheld, the refusal charge is withdrawn, Hughie and Tyson Fury each receive a two-year period of ineligibility, and their results from their respective fights in February 2015 are disqualified. Taking into account that no adverse analytical findings or adverse passport findings were reported in respect of any of the urine and/or blood samples collected from either boxer after February 2015 (including from Tyson Fury on 11 May 2015, 16 July 2015, 8 October 2015, 17 October 2015, 11 November 2015, 13 July 2016, and 4 May 2017; and from Hughie Fury on 11 May 2015, 25 July 2015, 8 October 2015, 17 October 2015, 14 November 2015, 18 July 2016, 29 September 2016, 18 February 2017, 19 April 2017, 8 August 2017, 29 August 2017, and 23 September 2017), their competition results after February 2015 are not disqualified. Taking into account the delays in results management that meant charges were not brought in respect of the nandrolone findings until June 2016, and the provisional suspensions that Tyson and Hughie Fury have already effectively served, the two year period of ineligibility is backdated to 13 December 2015, and therefore expires at midnight on 12 December 2017

    The British Boxing Board of Control has also agreed to the resolution of these proceedings on this basis.
     
  2. Willie Maeket

    Willie Maeket Why Cory Booker ain't knocked Rosario up yet? Full Member

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    Bro, you just dissed Muhammad Ali, a man that came out of a 5 year boxing exile and had the greatest boxing second coming of all time, a man that Fury copies in everything but blackness, and you hyope him because he beat a 2 one dimensional fighters. Do you have a fever from COVID-19 or are you just fully on stupid?
     
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  3. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You posted the key paragraph and don't even realize it. UKAD accepted a compromise based on the strength of the Fury's arguments in which no actual penalty was handed out.
     
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  4. G Man

    G Man Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes that's the very same Ali. The one who was outboxed by Joe Frazier who had beaten nobody of note prior to their fight. A 5 year exile or your perceived notion of Fury copying him is irrelevant. What is your point?
     
  5. Grinder

    Grinder Dude, don't call me Dude Full Member

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    Fury squeaked past a far faded Wlad who couldn't pull the trigger. Wlad is nowhere near GOAT. Do the math.
     
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  6. Power_tek

    Power_tek Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It’s all just their statement it’s all key.
    I think compromise is almost as damming as innocent people don’t compromise or make up ridiculous excuses like eating a full wild boar each a week for 6 weeks, if you have ever had a hog roast you know that that isn’t possible certainly not for competitive athletes, the fact that we’re found to have elevated levels of nandrolone is enough proof, but the compromise and the excuses of the wild boar (uncastrated aswell lol) just underline the guilt, the only thing that made compromise possible is the ridiculous amount of time it took for ukad to bring their findings, they got off on a technicality basically but ukad were still able to stand by their findings.
    Innocent people don’t allow statements like this to be published

    The proceedings have therefore been resolved on the following basis: the anti-doping rule violations based on the reported presence of elevated levels of nandrolone metabolites are upheld, the refusal charge is withdrawn, Hughie and Tyson Fury each receive a two-year period of ineligibility, and their results from their respective fights in February 2015 are disqualified.
     
  7. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The compromise shows that they are 100% innocent. If the case was so easy to prove, then UKAD should have charged them immediately, and, when they did, it should have been simple to present the evidence and get the four year ban they wanted. Those things didn't happen because they had no case.

    But let's get back to the first post, in which you are profoundly wrong:

    Even crooked UKAD said that the Klitschko fight is not in question:

    3.3 UKAD accepts that because Tyson Fury and Hughie Fury were not put on notice of their alleged UK ADR Article 2.1 violations until June 2016, and because no adverse analytical findings or adverse passport findings were reported in respect of any of the urine and/or blood samples collected from them after February 2015 (including from Tyson Fury on 11 May 2015, 16 July 2015, 8 October 2015, 17 October 2015, 11 November 2015, 13 July 2016, and 4 May 2017; and from Hughie Fury on 11 May 2015, 25 July 2015, 8 October 2015, 17 October 2015, 14 November 2015, 18 July 2016, 29 September 2016, 18 February 2017, 19 April 2017, 8 August 2017, 29 August 2017, and 23 September 2017), therefore in accordance with UK ADR Article 10.8 the competition results they obtained in their fights after February 2015 should not be disqualified.
     
  8. lefthandlead

    lefthandlead Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Both beat Ali. There probably isn't a bigger name then that.
     
  9. madballster

    madballster Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Fury is way too inactive. He appears to roll out of bed only every 3-4 years for a big fight. That's not enough to be a great.
     
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  10. JediPimp007

    JediPimp007 Long suffering reader Full Member

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    Fury has a thin resume and no longevity, history won't be kind if he retired now. His two biggest wins have an asterisk, as Wlad mentality wasn't there and the rematch never happened. Wilder has fought nothing but bums, so hard to tell how much these wins mean.
    He needs to fight Joshua, beat him and some other top 10 guys, even then he will go down as a HOF'er at best and be a H2H fantasy fighter.
     
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  11. Rilz

    Rilz Ball don't lie! Full Member

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    Average healthy male wild boar is 165–220 lb. Make that what, 100 lb - 155 lb of usable meat? Call that an average of 127.5 lbs. Divide that by 7 days in a week, and you get a little over 18 pounds of pure un-castrated wild boar meat per day. What kind of snowflake can't hammer down 6 pounds of pork three times a day for every meal? A bunch of wimps out there my goodness.
     
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  12. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Using Lockdown to catch up on old Boxing Full Member

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    I really like Fury but you cant be a candidate for GOAT if you haven't made a few good defences of a title
     
  13. Boxing2019

    Boxing2019 If you can dream it, you can do it Full Member

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    The GOAT with only 30 fights?
    :jaja-no:
     
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  14. Zulawski

    Zulawski The Fistic Pariah Full Member

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    Greatest? I tend to reserve that for the one who accomplishes the most. He doesn't have great historical standing. I wouldn't even put him above Wlad in that regard yet. He didn't have the best marquee names, but he was consistent in defending a title over a long period against top contenders. Fury is even further behind Lennox imo. Beating AJ will go a long way in bumping him up in that category though.

    Best? I can see that. He's the biggest competent boxer (more than competent even) that has ever set foot in the ring. He'd have 4+ inches in height, 8+ inches in practical reach, and 40+ lbs on a lot of ATG heavyweights.
     
  15. Olu G. Rotimi

    Olu G. Rotimi Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    When AJ knocks him out it will be interesting to see where you rank Tyson Fury.
     


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