Fury is overrated and already over the hill

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by lordlosh, Oct 10, 2021.


  1. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    Ironic, when I didn't say you used that word, that you try and slam me for catching words.

    It was very clearly implied.

    No, you have stated your opinion.

    Your opinion can be incorrect.... And in large parts I think it is.

    You might as well **** off these boards now, then.

    There is literally no point in being here if you're only interested in proclaiming your personal truth and then shutting your ears... Go get a blog or a YouTube channel, and turn off commenting, it'll do what you want much better.
     
  2. Devon

    Devon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Usyk just put in the best performance of his career which means his prime performance which also, you guessed it, means he is in his prime. Physical attributes deteriorate when you are 35, and that means footspeed, you get hit with more punches because you see them coming later, but at heavyweight it won't become visible till around 38 because most of them are slower and the pace of heavyweight fights are slower than other weights, whereas for lower weights they are much faster and throw more punches so you might start to see slowing down at 35 at lower weights, although you can still be very good, just look at Donaire, he is nearly 39, Golovkin is 39, also look at Roy Jones against John Ruiz, he looked primed in that fight and he was 34, if you are a big heavyweight and use the reach, you can go on until your 40s, just look at Vitali Klischko, he beat Chisora when he was in his early 40s, he didn't have to rely on avoiding punches quickly, he just had to keep his range and when Chisora threw, just stuck his arms out and Chisora couldn't really get near him, he didn't land anything flush
    People like Fury and Usyk aren't at all washed up, they are in their primes
     
  3. N17

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    Fury is regarded by the vast majority as the number 1 in the division, AJ fans are just going to have to accept it.

    I know it's difficult, AJ who was "too big, too strong" was just schooled by a career cruiserweight and Fury just ended his trilogy in a entertaining fight that will live long on the memory and is still WBC champion.

    I know it must be hard but the reality is AJ isn't a world champion any longer, AJ fans should just concentrate on Usyk and what happens after that, forget about Fury because AJ isn't at that level.
     
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  4. N17

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    Maybe you should fo through AJs resume and look at the age of some of his opponents, the stage of their careers, just how good they actually were..


    Would be interesting to see how you spin old men like Wlad (after he was already embarrassed by Fury), Povetkin and Pulev.

    Late replacements like Takam and Ruiz.

    Or champion Charles Martin who is regarded as one of the worst heavyweight world champions of all time.
     
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  5. AdamT

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    The guy is a hater

    Yeah because beating Takam, Charles, getting ref to help with parker, beating old povetkin, chisora level whyte and grandad pulev is supernatural? Lol

    He got smashed by a fat man in short notice and got schooled by usyk

    No shame in losing to usyk but even Del pushed him closer and Anthony bellew had done better in rounds v usyk

    Aj beat Fury? Lol

    Usyk has a chance for sure. I won't pick him, but he has a shot. But the bodybuilder is finished

    You Aj fanboys tears are delicious lol
     
  6. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    So you are going to repeat what i say, post after post ? What are you 13 years old ? I already stated, everyone has an opinion, and you are just repeating the same lol.

    Where did i say i'm only interested in proclaiming my personal truth. I have my mind on Fury, which is nothing wrong. I made a thread and state what i think. And here it comes the biased white knight trying to prove me wrong with all kind of excuses, cause your post is still sitting there where you are start counting as much excuses as you could.
     
  7. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    This was far from Usyk best performance. Did you even watch his career closely? Yeah, don't answer obviously not! His best will always been at WSB and at CW. His last true prime was against Gassiev.
    Usyk of Joshua was a slower both in hands and in feet, and his pace was no near at what it used to be, when he was in his truly prime. Same for his reaction/reflexes.

    As far as the physicals attributes, don't talk nonsenses pls. Most guys at 38 are long shot to *****.
    As far as the 35 age mark, this is another b.c. ridiculous claim and i can prove it quite easily.
    Cristiano Ronaldo, and he is probably the best specimen out there, that is even an exception to the rule, but i still going to using him, cause this prove my point without a shadow of a doubt.
    He last truly prime was at Madrid 2015-2016. In 2016-2017 he already was slowed down a bit, and the stats showed. But it was quite clear, that he regressed, and wasn't as fast as he was used to. As well, as not as strong, and he had to lose weight(this is coming from sources, that he was losing about a 2,2 pounds in order to stay in shape).
    In 2015-2016 he was 30-31 years old.

    He get in Juventus by the 33-34, and his dribble and most of his speed and attributes were gone.
    Yet there is still some stupid people that never watched him during his prime, and are claiming he is still in his prime, because he is still in top shape and score goal after goal, but this ain't the case obviously.
    And once again Ronaldo is a unique individual, and i doubt there is much more people that put more efforts into their body and to be in top shape.
    And even then from his prime to even at Juventus at 33-34 he was significantly regressed.

    Again there is a lot of other factors, like from how early you have started, because obviously your body its going to get amortize and how many miles you have on it, how much punishment you have been taken, how many hard camps you had(yeah obviously) and so.
    I'm a martial artist from long time, and have discuss a lot of this things with people in that "area", as well as coaches and so.

    As far as your example, it's plain bad wrong. Golovkin was already on the slide in the first Canelo fight, and now he is a shadow of what he was. He was just that damn good, and it was a pity so many fighters avoided him like a plague back then.
    Vitali at 40 was already a washed version of himself. But him and Wlad are still in great shape, but they aren't in their prime!
    And seeing your later post, are you sure we are talking on the same topic? I didn't say you can't be good till your 39 or 40. But that you are nowhere near your prime years, and especially physical prime.
     
  8. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Oh, you again are trying to be smart, after leaving the last discussion not answering all the question i have asked. And for 5 million times i'm not an AJ fanboy. I though we were thru with this ?

    It's a good thing you mention this names tho, and the real question is why hasn't Fury fought any of them? Or the early solid fighters in the division ? It's a good not me, but actually YOU to check up the facts. Fury debuted 5 years before Joshua, and his resume is still worst. And he somehow manage to not fought so many fighter, for "some" reason ....
    And it's not Joshua fault that Fury ducked Klitscko TWICE, and then was stripped and AJ had to win his belt against Martin.
    Where was Fury by that time ???
     
  9. JDub

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    It wasn't his best performance last night but he still got the job done. Bit harsh to say he's overrated.

    He's clearly the best current HW until proven otherwise.
     
  10. BubblesUK

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    :risas3::risas3::risas3::risas3::risas3:

    You don't even understand what you're saying yourself...

    I'll help you, as thinking clearly isn't a strong point, it's right here:

     
  11. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Another deluded fanboy. Just by looking at your post, you deserve a straight up ignore, because you blind. Povetkin was mandatory, and was still in shape, and unbeaten for 5 years. Was he prime, ofc not. He was way past his best. And i have claimed this multiple time, but your biased ****** could not see .... to tell, that Prime Povetkin would absolutely destroy Joshua.
    As far as Whyte, let's see if Fury will have the guts to fight this washed version of Whyte. To be fair i still hasn't see a better version of Whyte to this day.
    But Wilder manage to do everything in his power to duck Povetkin, which tells us a whole story.
    And again why didn't Fury faces Povetkin, or Pulev when he was on for example? Where he was at that time ?
    Fury debuted 5 years before Joshua, and his resume is still big stink.
    He can beat Wilder 20 times, and that will still not added anything to his resume.

    What Fury did the last 6 years really? He ducked Klitschko twice and go into a deep inactivity, and since his return, the only notable guy who faced, who i always stated is a overrated bum, who never fought someone of notice - Wilder. Last 3 and half years, Fury has been stuck in Wilder matches/rematches and it's all he has done.
     
  12. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    You obviously have a hard time, and still don't get the whole point, but catching for few words, just to suit your agenda.

    Let me explain it, simple, so your brain to understand it.

    My claim of Fury already being past, because of his lifestyle, going up and downs in the weight, as well as what i see from the last fight, this is what i see with my own eyes, and you can't change my mind, that he is on the slide. As i have said and explained detailed in my first post i have see the sign before and can easily recognize them. So how you are about or anyone else to change my own opinion that i build with my own eyes on this one ?

    This doesn't mean on X or Y topics/discussion my mind cannot be changed or i can't change my view. Or that as I'm 100% right. Maybe, just maybe i been wrong. But as i said this is what i see and we will be able to see if i'm right or wrong in the next 2-3 Fury matches.
    I hope you get it now.
     
  13. AdamT

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    Aj fanboys are a laugh lol

    F.....g casuals :D

    Triggered as f..k and writing essays with every reply
     
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  14. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    I already understand what you're trying to say, it's just not very intelligent all said and done and I'm not convinced.

    Since you're not interested in listening to reason, there's no further sense in trying to help you understand this.

    I'm bored.
     
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  15. SOUTHERMOST

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    How you dealt with a giant boxer with a good jab who normally don't risk much use his big weight and size as weapon basically overpower you in late rounds.