Fury needs to recreate Tyson's Spinks ringwalk

Fury might be able to recreate a Butterbean ringwalk though, going by the latest video I saw of him.

 

Usyk has a more skilled offense than Fury.

 

Tyson was intimidation personified, looks of a killer and a ferocity that today's HW's could only dream of.
Fury intimidates by being the buffoon, like the Benny Hill of boxing. It's intimidating in it's own unique way when a 6'9" self proclaimed Gypsy King is staring down at you dressed as Batman or whatever, I think it worries the hell our of most people let alone the ones sharing the squared circle with him.

 

Wilder is a broken man and it's doubtful whether he will ever step back into the ring again, let alone above Charles Martin level. He was uncharacteristically silent for 6 months on social media, waiting for the rematch clause to expire before he starting talking rubbish and coming out with inane conspiracy theories about how a white men couldn't have possibly smashed him in the ring legitimately (on black history month no less). What a terrible and lingering embarrassment that must be for him. By his own admission, Wilder wants no part of a trilogy fight with Fury: “I'd love to fight guys I haven't fought, you know, the ones at the top which I haven't fought." Case closed.

Fury's clown antics completely stole the show from Klitschko and took him out of his comfort zone. Then Fury, who was a considerable underdog fighting on away soil, proceeded to belittle, mock and rubbish Klitschko in a multitude of ways. He asserted that the champions of the past were over the hill at 39 and that he had no chance against a fit, motivated young lion, that his 25 title defences were against bums, that he had a glass chin that was going to get smashed, that he was a boring, robotic figure who had the charisma of a pair of underpants, that he had a boring, one-dimensional fighting style that Fury would be easily able to exploit, that compared to Fury, Wlad was a small man who had fought even smaller and weaker opponents, that he was a coward who had been avoiding certain dangerous opponents for years, that he was not impressed in the slightest when he saw Klitschko training for the first time and demeaned Klitschko's looks, his dress sense and his nationality, all on the fly in under 10 minutes.

As a man who is used to being respected and having it all his own way, Wlad was badly rattled: repeating himself inanely, wiping the sweat from his brow, saying it was "all business" and not personal a la Conor McGregor vs Khabib and accusing Fury of hating him and hating old men. He said very little in the press conferences with Fury, similar to Fury's effect on the usually more talkative David Haye, because they had both been on the end of an almighty psychological beating. As a result, David Haye pulled out twice and Wlad was paralysed in the ring, being thoroughly outboxed and losing a UD in his backyard. Fury is an even more intimidating presence now as a champion than he was back then as a contender: a 6'8, 273 pound ATG titan and people who think that AJ is any more mentally robust than Wlad or Haye are delusional. This is a guy who spent 3 days in his apartment after fat Andy's beatdown, crying into an ice cream tub. This is a guy who avoided calling Fury out after his nervous performance in the Pulev fight, despite being under considerable pressure to do so, while having no problem calling him out when he was 30 stone and strung out on coke. This is a guy who criticised Fury's genuine masterclass against Wlad, only to put on a terrified display against an even more flat-footed and morbidly obese version of the Mexican midget. Every night, you can guarantee that Femi goes to sleep terrified of what the Gypsy King is going to do to him at the press conferences and when they finally meet in the ring.

 

I think the mods should restrict you to a quota of "Fury is TBE, AJ is a dosser" threads.

 

Well he was the champion of this fight game, and by his psychological and physical behaviours he showed extreme mental weakness, certainly with regard to the Wlad rematch and his bingeing on food, booze and drugs.

Fury was talking the talk but sure as hell not walking the walk, becoming a ex champion without ever defending the title.

At end of day all this who is mentally weak or otherwise is inconsequential, it is what happens during those 12 rounds or less when they face each other on fight night that matters, two World champions enter, one World champion leaves as undisputed champion.

 

There's a huge difference between having personal demons and being intimidated by an opponent. They both concern the mind but they are completely different fields. As Wlad proved, you can have 25 title defences against a certain level of opposition but it means nothing when you finally have to step up. What happens in the ring is shaped by many factors, prominent among them the psychological battle that precedes it. AJ will be beaten before he even enters the ring, as was the case with many of Mike Tyson's opponents.

 

We will beg to differ on Tysons mental strength, Wlad did not get his rematch did he? Was it Wlad who prevented rematch or Tyson Fury?

With regard to AJ being intimidated, you might well be right however you might well be wrong, and it is Fury himself who is in some way intimidated, oh Fury talks a lot, shouts a lot, trash talks blah blah, but talk is cheap.

I have stated many times i believe a in shape both mentally and physically Fury, has the beating of AJ, however that is merely a belief. I at present think Fury has to get some defences under his belt for me to rate him in the higher echelons of Heavyweight title holders, Fury brings a damned fine skill set, is a big ol unit that moves well and has achieved 2 decent scalps in championship fights (albeit not willing/able to defend title against them).

I frankly do not buy into the intimidation factor, if Fury and AJ fight for the undisputed titles then one wins other loses, that is same in any contest just if you lose your conqueror actually was a champion, i sure as hell would feel i lost less kudos by being beaten by a champ rather than in the case of Ruiz a chump (i do rate a 'in shape' Ruiz however).

As said before only thing that matters is what occurs in that squared circle, yes there will be supposed 'psyche battles', and Fury the one who will be vocalising the most of them.,

You mention Mike Tyson beating opponents even before entered the ring, did he do that through trash talk etc? No, he like Liston primarily just used the look of being impassive sullen beasts, mean, brooding seething with menace, backed up by their records of course.

I know a lot like and get into Furys trash talk, but i think other than helping sell fights it is just rehashing Cassius Clay/Muhammad Ali type antics, and definitely not psychologically intimidating. Now if AJ vs Fury result is who is trash talking champ then Fury wins, and if Fury is trash talking AJ should use those headphones he wears around his neck for their correct purpose and put them over his ears, as Fury does like sound of his own voice it has to be said.

Now in my view what was more like intimidation is the uttering of Monzon to a slur at the weigh in by his opponent Benvenuti, Monzon saying "Tonight i kill you", that is not playing to the gallery, that is a personal statement.

 

There's a distinction between personal demons and being intimidated by an opponent. The rematch never happened because Fury had accomplished what he had originally set out to achieve and lost his sense of purpose, so he stopped boxing. If Fury wasn't afraid to face Wlad in Dusseldorf and put on the performance he did, it wasn't fear of Wlad the man that prevented him from fighting an already defeated, even older Wlad in Manchester.

Fury talks a lot because he believes it's an effective way to psychologically demoralise his opponents. It can be to intimidate and make your opponent doubt himself, to psych yourself up or to frustrate your opponent, all are effective. David Haye usually talked a lot of trash for these reasons but he couldn't get a word in against Tyson Fury. He was thoroughly outgunned and bricking it. These men are fierce competitors who hate losing, especially on the big stage and especially losing humiliatingly on the big stage. This is always a possibility in boxing, especially when you are outmatched by an opponent. I don't have much regard for the "bum a month" campaigns of Joe Louis or Wlad Klitschko; it's how you do against the best opponents that matters. If Fury beats AJ and the winner of Joyce-Usyk, that's it as far as I'm concerned.

Mike Tyson didn't trash talk his opponents? Does "I'm going to make you my girlfriend" or “I want to eat your children” not count? Tyson, like Wilder, spoke about wanting to kill his opponents in the ring as an intimidation tactic. You can claim that Fury's trash talk had no effect on Haye, Klitschko or Wilder and their subsequent performances in the ring but I beg to differ. AJ will be no different.

 

Oh that's alright then, no rematches despite contract to do so as you have achieved your goal, yeah right.

So you are denigrating Louis now, re bum of the month campaign and Wlads fights, there is a clue here why folk watched them, as they were defending the title, a thing Fury has never done.

I stated Liston and Tyson "

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used the look of being impassive sullen beasts, mean, brooding seething with menace, backed up by their records of course" to intimidate, i did not say Tyson never trash talked, A opponent saying on film he was going to make me his girlfriend would get same response as Tyson did, a laugh. With regard his eating babies comment oh yeah he was ultra successful and intimidated all his opponents at that stage of his career,......Not.

I just look forward to all the talk stopping, and the fight to happen, at least win or lose Fury will be able to state he has actually defended the title, and we will have a undisputed heavyweight champion, one champion sounds good to me whether that is Fury or AJ.

 

Contracts, like any law, only have any meaning if they can be enforced. Fury had schooled Wlad in his backyard and achieved his goal of becoming heavyweight champion, despite a variety of dirty tricks from Wlad before the fight. Fury essentially quit boxing for 3 years after he'd become champion and fell into purposelessness, so no rematch was possible (I don't think they're even desirable: it wasn't a close fight and he wouldn't have got much more credit for beating 40 year old Wlad for a second time in Manchester). But in my view these plastic titles and all of the defences in the world don't necessarily amount to much. Wilder had 10 defences against high level journeymen and fringe contenders, so what? 1 win against a super-champion is worth vastly more than 10 defences against bums.

I agree that Tyson and Liston primarily intimidated by their performances in the ring, with their fierce persona's and media image but they didn't trash talk effectively because they lacked the verbal dexterity to do so. Guys like Ali, Prince Naseem and Fury do it because they can, and because it can psychologically destabilise opponents, either intimidating or enraging them or boosting yourself up. We know for a fact that AJ is not the mentally strongest and that he isn't so hot on fighting Fury, so the verbal beatdown in the build-up will have an effect on him. But even if you disregard it, it will make Fury's performance in the ring look all the more impressive. If the fight doesn't happen this summer it will be a travesty.

 

Tyson and Fury were/are both mind game masters.

 

Psychological warfare isn't just about intimidation though, it's about putting your opponent off their game before the fight has started. Fury is great at getting inside opponents head.