Fury not getting away this time

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by lordlosh, Sep 28, 2022.


  1. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Who is sensible exactly ? Fury fans such a big fight is made in a week, and somehow it's a AJ fault, because he didn't sign a contract, that are not done and to risk legal case with his sponsors? Or before there is a deal with the broadcasters.

    All the things i have said was confirmed.
    I claim from day 1 that you can't sign such a big fight for a week. I have said that Fury is lying for how long AJ team have the contract, it's a fact, as Warren admitted they send it with delay. It turns out that Hearn team receive the contract on last Friday, still not a full week.

    I claimed that the contract is not signed, cause it's not done and it's going back and forth - again confirmed. I also said that there is commercials and other stuffs that are slowing the process, and they are going back and forth on that, confirmed again.

    Yet we have Fury fans that first was saying that AJ is ducking, but after Fury embarrass himself in front of the whole world, they start claiming that he was just trolling AJ, and he did not deserve the chance, and somehow fighting Charr is okish.

    Next day when Fury comes with something new, they change their version again, and blame Hearn.

    Yeah i'm pissed off, cause Fury is getting a pass for every sh*** he is done, and he has done plenty. Yet the moment someone else slip, people are over his back.
     
  2. UmarIFLUmar

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    If Joshua's side is serious about this fight, and Furys side aren't, why aren't Matchroom returning the phone calls?

    Its hard to form an opinion until we see how this plays out. My gut feeling is Matchroom are dragging their feet somewhat but maybe they're just being thorough. The clocks ticking though, putting Fury's "deadlines" to one side I'd say they have a week at most to finalise this otherwise it's getting way too close to fight night.
     
  3. MAD_PIGE0N

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    Just to remind that Andy Ruiz accepted the fight with Joshua within a week and signed it, then fought one month later. Hearn now said in an interview, not in someone's dreams or "senses", that he has the contract from the early week of 19-25 October. That is a "proven fact". So currently it's with him for 10 days and he can't even tell how long it'll take them to deal whatever they insist is not right, acceptable and so on...

    It's understandable that the AJ contract with the broadcaster can be an issue, but why some people forget Fury has such as well, yet he had the balls to offer that fight? Imagine in theoretically: a broadcasting contract is a problem, but you decide to be a fighter and sign a bout contract and leave the broadcaster himself to eventually ruin the fight? In such case you did the maximum possible to prove you want the fight.

    As for the claim that fights are not to be called on the social networks - it is the same if you do it over the TV, so lets remind how exactly Usyk challenged Fury when someone blames Fury for not waiting Usyk - waiting him for what, that he said over the camera "I wan to fight Fury or no one else"? Is that official? Then going silent and suddenly deciding he wants actually that midget Canelo - yes, Canelo is a midget to Usyk in every aspect.
     
  4. BaronSamedi

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    You post Adam catterall as some sort of expert opinion. The guy is a teenage chav in a man's body. Obviously on the Hearn payroll too

    What sort of insanity is he even talking about, AJ can't sign because of sponsors? What sponsor would sue him for taking the biggest fight in the sport and exposing their company name to the biggest audience that it could possibly get. The sponsors will be begging him to take the fight not trying to hold it up

    The only hurdle was the broadcast situation, which everyone already was verbally on board with and has now been officially agreed. There is no reason at all for AJ to not sign
     
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  5. FastLeft

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    Hearn is very clever talking facts and what happened when and who said what, to distract from all the stuff he left unsaid.

    he wants negotiations to continue but get to a point where everyone knows December 3 isn't happening and then he WILL say: ' we preferred December 17' . but that will be unrealistic too, by that point. worse case AJ doesn't fight this year & Hearn blame it on Fury.

    Hearn is saying an agreement is weeks away.

    it's like the old British diplomacy tactics of stringing everything out, discussing a lot but saying nothing too much one way or the other, finely and repeatedly going round in circles on minor points, until the other side runs out of time.
     
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  6. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Are they really not returning the phone calls, or this is Warren b.c., when in reality he ain't even lead the negotiation, it's his son George, you should have known that maybe ???
    Hearn said exactly the opposite that they are talking every single day.
    The contract is send back to team Hearn on Wednesday, when was received on Monday. So we are Thursday, the contract is on Hearn for 2 days, and they say they will send it back today/tonight. So team Warren can hold it for two days, and no problem or mention about it, but it's a problem when Hearn team have it for 2 days???

    If you want a fight, that is like 90% done, why in the blue hell you would put a stupid stipulation, sign it today, sign it tomorrow. It's OFF, oh no it's ON, and now again it's OFF.
    On top of that Team Hearn said Queensberry, aka Fury team never set a deadline. It was Fury. And Hearn ain't negotiation with Fury, but with his promoter, as it should be.

    You do realize that you don't do your business on twitter or instagram, right ? Not a serious person will do that.

    If Fury was so in hurry, his promoters should have said that in the very beginning, you have that much time to review, send it back, and blq, blq, blq.

    Also the point that Hearn/Matchroom is dragging their feet, doesn't work, cause AJ have a management company 358 and i think their lawyers review the contract and then send it to Hearn for final check and back to Warren.
    AJ and Hearn are not typical player=promoter. AJ is his own boss.

    Again if AJ didn't want the fight, he and Hearn would have catch for the 60-40 split, the 50-50 split on the rematch, or just on the Date, and use that as an excuse and just back up from this.

    When exactly AJ was doing anything for cloud ? Never. Fury is well known for that.

    I know you are a fan, but this is 100% right.

    He faked and ankle injury to postpone Klitschko fight, then we all know how that plays out. He also faked COVID to delay the 3rd fight with Wilder. Then he first was vaccinated, but then it turns out, he was not, then it turns out, that he have only 1 vaccine, and all that kinda b.c. just to delay the fight.

    AJ Unified 3 belts, Fury never really make an effort to do so.

    And anything saying that i'm just an AJ fanboy it's out of his mind. I'm just 100% fair.

    I was one of the first to say that he didn't deserve that Gold Medal from the Olympics. He lost like 3 fights clearly in that Olympics.
    While he KO Povetkin, the scorecards was ****. The scorecards against Usyk was utter ***** in both fights. In both fights that 115-113 for Usyk was horse *****. Not even going to comment the 115-113 for AJ.
    I also call his rematch clause with Usyk b.c. Same when i call and s**** on Hearn for the rematch clause on Whyte - Povetkin.

    But the fun part. Warren is the same s*****. Rematch clause in Fury favor only, and 50-50 split, still AJ agreed.
    But what is even more s***** is that Joyce have a rematch clause against Parker if he was to loss. One sided rematch clause .....
    As ****** as Hearn is, Warren is twice as ******.

    Anyway i waste way too much time on this. I'm through with it.
    As you say we will see at the end, or maybe not. But i know from experience that a person that put ridiculous deadline is clearly the one to faul.

    Again i'm through with this. Will wait for the conclusion and then we can comment.
     
  7. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Stop lying. Hearn said he had the contract on last Friday, can you even count bud ?
     
  8. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Common sense buddy. You have commercial contracts. In the contract that was send, was saying that AJ team doesn't have a saying about the commercials. AJ is on exclusive deal with DAZN, commercial from there as well.

    Also there is certain brands, that you dress and other stuffs that you market.
    And yeah you have contracts with this companies, and they sign with you to market their products, common sense maybe?

    I don't know what expert Adam is, but he is smarter than most on here, cause Hearn pretty much confirm his words and said what the problem is.
    Dan Rafael though is an expert and say a big fight isn't made in a week or two time, and that Fury is full of **** literally.

    Broadcaster are on the same page, but there is no official agreement. There is a big difference.
     
  9. MAD_PIGE0N

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    Man, it is Hearn saying it himself, I posted that already: the interview is from 22th this month and he says "We received the contract a couple of days ago". This is, as you like it - a "proven fact", so it is or you're lying, or you're just wrong. Everyone can play it from the moment I am sharing it, it is straight to the question and the answer that I am quoting.

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  10. Furious

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    I’m not going to read all that - it just comes across as an incoherent rant.
     
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  11. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Yep my bad on this one. Hearn said it, but it was probably when he send it back and receive it back. Warren also confirmed that they were late with the contract sending, cause there was a lot of things to be put on. He said it on Talksport.
    Anyway so a coupe of days ago, would mean around 20. So explain me then this. Monday is on 26, how much days is from 19-20 ?????? Even if it was on 18 ? Fury on Monday claim it was for 14 days in them, which is a clear lie.

    Another thing to mention on here is that if Fury team wanted a deadline, they would have made it clear from day 1, and would have come from Queensburry promotion, not from Fury on instagram. Queensburry never put a deadline. If you want a contract to be signed till a certain date, you either put that in the contract or said it from DAY 1, and not on twitter, cause Business is not done on twitter.

    Fury is making ridiculous deadlines from day 1. If AJ didn't accept my challenge in 24 hours i won't fight him. He started with this. Then it was another deadline for the date, then Monday, then now.

    No one that really wants a fight will try to make a fight that way, NO ONE. And you knows it.

    Anyway i'm through with this. No need to put more energy into this ****. I still hope the fight to be made and see who is who, but i'm through.
    It was pathetic from both sides to go that deep.
     
  12. MAD_PIGE0N

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    @lordlosh this is all if we accept your suggestion. The way it really happens is something all the fans want to know, but will most probably never do because both sides are playing dirty games, just the way boxing is a dirty game for decades. It's sad, but it is so.

    Fury is a trash talker of a high caliber (like Ali wasn't?), but it's been many times he said true things. Or promised big things and did them. Yes, he has to stop the trash a bit and go for training and action, maybe even hides completely and let him team arrange the big events, if not AJ, then someone decent, which excludes Charr - in such case it'll even surprise us. Just like AJ has to become more humble the way he was few years ago, not acting so low as he did after the Usyk rematch.

    I hope the AJ fight happens and I think it will, it's all just tricks, even possibly coordinated from both sides just to gain interest.
     
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  13. BaronSamedi

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    Hearn confirms catteralls words so catterall is smart lol wtf. They're on the same team, it's just friends backing each other.

    Also the contract has been sent saying AJ can do whatever he pleases with regards to his commercials sponsors etc, DAZN are on board soooo what's your next excuse?

    Fat Dan saying a big fight isn't made in a week or two is right because there's lots to argue about, purses, rematches, splits for rematches, venues etc that all takes serious negotiation. Totally irrelevant to this contract because they were already all agreed before contracts even got drawn up. So all they needed was to get the broadcasters on board and make sure AJ can fulfill his obligations to his contract, which they have done, then it's a simple stroke of a pen. They seem to have lost their pen though
     
  14. MrBarry465

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    I do appreciate how sly Hearn is though. He brought up the fact that Benn and Eubank took "3 months to make", as an example of why this fight can't be done in a matter of weeks. Which ignores the fact that Benn and Eubank includes a fighter going up 2 weight divisions - of course it's going to take longer.....

    He's just incredibly sly with his words but his fans lap it up.
     
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  15. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Educated. He was talking about Fury - AJ.
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    Where did you come from that the contract that being sent was saying AJ can do whatever he pleases with the commercials, sponsors, etc?
    You come with that from where exactly ?
    Cause the main point of going back and forth with the contract is exactly that.
    Hearn said exactly the opposite and i believe him on this one. They have no word on anything that is related to all we are commenting.
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    Again educate yourself. There is like 5 interview, where he confirm this.

    The talk with the broadcasters were positive, but neither Hearn, neither Warren said they reach an agreement and anything is official, in fact it is not.
    But that's different to AJ rights.

    Again i'm through with this. You can think whatever you like.
    A person that wants a fight, is not putting a ridiculous deadlines from day 1.
    He put deadline for AJ to accept his challenge, then to accept his terms, which AJ did, then we all know the story.