Fury Schwarz: Worst high level HW follow up ever?

Sephiroth Rising 7,

Nobody is arguing otherwise about what Paris said and how she felt. No woman on earth wants to see their husband hurt in any way.

What I'm saying, is despite the emotional torment which she went through, it will not prevent Tyson from facing him again.

Tyson is a proud gypsy and he's his own man.

He's just signed a 5 fight deal, with the hope of rematching Wilder and fighting Joshua.

If she had that much influence over him, she'd have made him retire.

Just keep talking mate.

Honestly, I love it.

The more you call him a fraud and a coward for not fighting Wilder again, the sweeter it will be when the fight gets made and these threads get bumped further down the line.

You are going to look absolutely ridiculous.

You're going to need therapy to cope.

Once again, Fury has had 3 years of inactivity. So he's probably missed out on around 12 further fights.

Yes, Joshua definitely has a far superior resume.

Wilder?

No chance.

He's had 13 more fights than Fury yet he has a poor resume.

He doesn't have a win better than Wladimir, and his wins over Stiverne are no better than wins over Chisora.

His best win to date has been over an old Ortiz.

Not much to show for 41 fights.

Also, apart from a few tune ups, the version of Fury he fought had been inactive for 3 years.

He didn't even fight the version of Fury that Wlad did.

So how can it crap on Fury's resume?

It can't.

It's just more laughable nonsense from you.

Haha!

Yeah, I'm sure you were once a big Fury fan.

Of course he deserves credit.

You thought that Wlad was going to take out Joshua afterwards.

 

Nobody said it was a rule.

Seriously, what's the issue?

They couldn't agree terms. So Wilder is fighting Breazeale next, while Fury is having a keep busy fight in his 1st fight of 5 which he's just signed with ESPN.

Why the drama?

As long as the rematch happens at some point, there's no problem.

He's just given his all after 3 years out.

Let him have an easy fight.

It doesn't mean that the rematch isn't ever going to happen.

 

Its not great but hes undefeated and ranked and Fury isnt a champion and ive seen worse matchups. . I think the disappointment of it not being the rematch is making the fact it is Schwarz seem even worse than it is. Im presuming this isnt going to be on PPV in the States. I take it America is not mad for Fury and nobody will of heard of Tom Schwarz.

 

You say Fury is a fighting man, yet yesterday you was saying he was all about business?

We know he's not a proud man, because a proud man doesn't go back on their word time and time and again and duck other fighters.

Neither does a fighting man relieve himself of all responsible on who he fights.

Fury has said it'sall in Bob Arum's hands who he has next lined up

As far as Wilders resume is concerned he's actually fought champions and genuine contenders.

I know it's fashionable to criticize Wilder's resume however the reality is Ortiz, Steverne, Duhaupas, and Chris Arreola are better than any of the clowns Fury fought on his record besides Wladimir.

I was never a Fury fan, I'm not a fan of any fighter. I support fighter, rather than follow them fanatically and love them unconditionally like clearly do. This helps me to remain objective and impartial when discussing the sport

I know you love Tyson Fury, and I know it hurts and doesn't compute with your brain when you see text that doesn't read ''oh he deserves a break, he was 300lbs suffering from mental illness, drug abuse and a host of other problems, it's a miracle he's fighting''. But the reality is he brought all those problems on to himself and is a roid cheat.

He deserves no credit for his fluke win over Klitschko because he was on roids at the time. If boxing wasn't corrupt he'd have had that victory ruled as void.

 

I do understand what you're saying, but this implies that Wilder vs Fury II is an inevitability. I think naturally people are going to compare the opponents of all "the big three" and I think you will definitely agree that Schwarz is the worst of them.

 

Of course he seems a weak challenge. But I'd be more concerned if I didn't think the rematch was ever going to happen. But from the various interviews and reports that I've listened to and read, this is just the first fight of five, with the hope of fighting both Wilder and Fury within the next 2 years. At the moment, I've no reason to doubt that those fights won't come to fruition.

 

Sepiroth Rising 7,

I never said he was all about business. I said that he's signed a huge 5 fight deal with ESPN, who aren't going to want him to fight 5 guys the level of Schwarz. They have signed him in the hope of him fighting Wilder and Joshua.

If he wasn't a true fighting man, he wouldn't have lost all of that weight to come back last year, nor would he have just signed a 5 fight deal.

If he fights Wilder again, which I'm sure he will, he won't have gone back on his word.

ESPN along with Arum have a clear plan of how they would like the next 2 years to unfold.

Except they're not.

Stiverne, Duhaupas and Arreola aren't better than Chisora. And how convenient of you to keep excluding Wladamir.

Fury's resume has:

Chisora x 2
Wlad
Wilder

Not amazing, but Tyson fought the best version of Wilder, whereas Wilder didn't fight the best version of Tyson.

You initially said that Wilder's resume crapped on Tyson's.

It doesn't. Especially when you compare 28 fights to 41 fights, and note nearly 3 years of inactivity.

For 41 fights, Wilder has a very poor resume.

You were never a fan of Fury?

In your previous post, you said:

"I used to be a big fan of Fury...."

It helps you to remain objective?

Ha!

Please!

How can anybody take you seriously?

Everyone's circumstances are different.

Life's not easy.

I'm sure he didn't go out of his way with the intentions of hurting himself and his family.

You like to quote Paris where she says how upset she was when she saw him on the canvas, so about quoting where she said he wouldn't engage with her and the kids, as she thought he was suicidal etc?

Or don't you believe that?

That wouldn't suit your agenda would it.

So you'll only selectively quote her.

Fluke?

Do me a favour.

That was no fluke.

Tyson did a complete psyche job on him both in and out of the ring.

Then 18 months later, he had Joshua down and nearly out. And you predicted that Wlad was going to beat Joshua.

 

Congratulations, you have now finally reached the point where Dinovelvet is co-signing and approving your posts

Lets get your first point straight. He will not fight Wilder because

1. He has no intention of fighting Wilder ever again

2. It takes 2 to make a fight, hence why even though Wilder placed a 50/50 offer on the table for the fight to happen, Fury ignored it.

3. No one needs Fury. Newflash he hasn't got any belts, and this lineal champion nonsense only exists in his head and the minds of his cultists.

''If he wasn't a true fighting man, he wouldn't have lost all of that weight to come back last year, nor would he have just signed a 5 fight deal.''

People lose weight everyday in the gym, I wouldn't quantify such individuals being brave or being fighting men. What a ridiculous point. Weight that he himself piled on through lack of discipline and lack of dedication to the sport. Dave Allen piles on the pounds and sheds weight off too. Should we pat him on back as well?

And signing a deal to fight 5 scrubs is hardly something to celebrate.

I've said it before which you take umbrage with and I'll say it again. Tyson Fury is a proud coward.

You said this was about business,which dumb fans failed to grasp or something along those lines. Which is why I then brought up the quote which contradicted this idea that Fury painted himself as a man who had no interest in the business side of the game and strictly wished to fight nothing but the best. His words not mine.

You've now moved the goalposts and become his official spokesperson and informed us all that he is his own man that doesn't listen to his wife that he is with every night.

That quote on him not engaging with her on occasions, has nothing to do with boxing. You think couples always talk to each other? This is irrelevant to what we're discussing. That's heat magazine level fluff.

As for the resume, when Tyson Fury schooled chisora, which was actually what a schooling looks like btw, Chisora was already washed up, demotivated and faded. He had been in so many wars at that point many including myself were pleading that he would pack it all in.

I'd say he's on the same level of Chris Arroela when Wilder fought him. Both washed up decent fighters.

Other than that there is absolutely no one besides Wladimir who he cheated against that is worth noting on Fury's record.

Lastly if I said I was a big fan of Fury, then I must correct myself and concede that error on my part. I was a huge advocate of Fury. Don't believe me? Check out of my posts, where I was vehemently defending Fury, even justifying his comeback fight against Seferi, putting my credibility on the line, telling everyone that it was just a one off, that he needed the easy work after inactivity and once Fury got his tune ups out of the way, he'd begin consistently challenging the best. That he deserved a second chance to redeem himself after bailing out of the Wlad fight

How naive of me to think this impostor had any intention of fighting human beings. I should have know after the stunt he pulled with both Ustinov and Wlad that he would go on to duck more fights. A leopard never changes it's spots, and Fury never changes his heart. He'll always seek a way out.

 

Sephiroth Rising 7,

Dino's a great poster in my opinion, and he possesses a lot of knowledge, especially about the HW division.

So:

He has no intention of ever fighting Wilder again, despite the fact that he's literally just signed a huge deal, with the intention of rematching him as a part of it?

Okay.

Yes, despite what you say, the other guys do need Tyson. Just in the way that Tyson needs them. AJ could knock out Wilder in 2 rounds and claim to be the best HW on the planet. But he could only prove it by beating Tyson. They all need each other. Everyone wants those fights to happen.

This is the very definition of a ridiculous post.

Dave Allen is a euro level HW who fights for small purses.

He's also never lost the same amount of weight that Tyson has.

Yes, every fighter has to lose weight.

Yes, you can say that Tyson's problems were self inflicted. But how many people come back and lose that amount of weight and take on a dangerous HW after 3 years of inactivity, when they don't need to?

Tyson has earnt more than enough to lead a comfortable life.

I understand that you don't like him. But stop being biased and give credit where it's due. Instead of continuing to party, he changed his life by taking a huge amount of weight off to face a dangerous guy who you rate.

You labelling him as a coward just highlights what type of poster you are.

YOU are the only guy who believes he'll be fighting 5 scrubs.

Nobody else does.

ESPN, Warren, Arum and Tyson don't.

The 5 fight deal was signed in the hope of fighting AJ and Wilder.

Keep saying it.

All you're doing is losing credibility and embarrassing yourself.

Once again, when the rematch happens you're going to have to go into hiding. This thread will be bumped.

How many more times?

He's signed a huge deal which will hopefully see him fight the best fighters.

You said that she thought he was dead and it was heartbreaking for her to witness. Yet, he's just signed a 5 fight deal which puts him in more danger, with the hope of rematching the same guy as well as fighting a more dangerous opponent in AJ.

Nobody has said Tyson has a great resume. But once again, Wilder's is not superior, especially has he's had a lot more fights. At least Tyson fought Wlad and the best version of Wilder. What has Wilder done? He's beat Ortiz and got a gift draw against a version of Tyson who wasn't at his absolute best.

You contradicted yourself in just 2 posts.

He had 2 tune ups, before fighting Wilder. Now he's having another tune up/keep busy fight before hopefully fighting the best in the division. There shouldn't be a problem. And if you're a boxing fan, you should be absolutely delighted that he's signed a 5 deal, instead of being coked out of his mind on a beach somewhere. You don't have to like him. Him being active is great for the division.

More silliness.

Why did he even the Wilder fight if he wanted an easy ride?


Get back to me when your ban has been lifted.

 

It's a stay busy fight against an unbeaten European level fringe contender who's ranked by some of the abc's. It's far from the worst fight he could be taking. And let's be honest. The only fights most fans are interested in are Wilder II or Joshua
Fights that are almost certainly on the horizon. Stop being so dramatic.

 

I want to see what this guy can actually do 100% fit and prepared and fighting regularly, so I don't care how bad these match-ups are for a while. The truth is nobody has ever seen Fury at his best because he kept getting fat and going into fat camps instead of training, was very inactive, and Peter Fury is not a proper trainer anyway. (This is the trainer that just claimed he hates Hughie's boxing style, which he himself designed, and how it isn't effective at top level.) Even the Wlad fight Fury mentions that he felt weak because he'd had to lose a ton of weight leading into it. Let's see what he can do with a trainer who can keep him in shape and actually provide tactical help. Maybe he's the best, maybe he isn't, but with adequate prep time on this comeback there won't be excuses then.

 

Can you please elaborate further regarding Peter's comments.

Thanks.

 

If Fury fought three times as year as Holmes did this would not be so bad . Fury is officially bottom feeding with this type of opponent.

Schwarz is rated

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at box rec. A top ten ring magazine ranked opponent, or at the very least top 20 box rec opponent would be much better.

 

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after all the bluster, its a big middle finger to the fans. some of these brits are now taking turns sitting on said finger.