Fury the new Valuev?

Fury doesn't have the slickness of Sugar Valuev

 

Wilder very much is a hypejob - you don't get rated #2 in the world having never beaten a single fit and legit contender unless you're getting hyped out of all proportion.

And there's always excuses with Wilder - with all due respect, I don't believe your ITK contacts.

 

You don't trust the grocery store clerk?

 

Thread's question is rubbish.

Most peeps imagine they're independent thinkers. But most ppl are trend following front runners, thus the recent Fury hate by many. This "hate" mainly due to: 1) difficulty setting up a fight with Usyk (now scheduled); 2) lackluster performance vs Francis N.
It's as if other great HWs have never had difficulties making fights or had subpar performances
Defeating even an aging Wlad in one of his home turfs and DW 2.5, most think 3X, puts his resume up there. Decisive KO of Whyte is a good addition too.

Many people are using the recent Wilder loss to Parker & AJ stoppage of Wallin as damaging to Fury's record. Not to discredit Parker, it fails to consider that Wilder's inactivity and damaging trilogy w/ Fury made him easier pickings for Joseph. Let's not forget Wilder was still favored by most.
Funny, there were few if any people, decades ago or now, stating that Foreman's annihilation of Frazier & Norton* was damaging to Ali's record... Even before Ali defeated Foreman. None of this is logical, but it shows how bias and selective memory affects many peoples views.

* Ali struggled 6X, SIX times, with both opponents, and had only one "life & death" stoppage in Frazier 3. Some experts view is that he never beat Norton.

 

Which of Wilders defences was he?

 

First of all, few people are stating Fury is GOAT. Although due to the evolution of HWs, he'd beat most of the older, smaller top HWs of the past. That's true of most top 2000s era HWs. I think prime Fury would be competitive but not necessarily defeat top 2000s HWs like Lewis, K bros, etc.

I generally like AJ but what is he clinging to? His 3-4 years ago wins over past it Pulev and ultra cautious performance vs. fatter than usual Andy? AJs best W since those was his recent bout vs. Wallin. Not a good sign for the supposed best HW of this era. Yet his fans have gotten all "hot n bothered" by his recent 3 bout winning streak. Let's see what happens vs. Francis...

 

Exactly in this day and age anybody's resume can be picked apart on the internet by people with too much time on their hands.
The other thing with boxing is that a lot of fans expect perfection from fighters in every fight but in no other sport is an athlete expected to perform at their best in every match or tournament and it does not effect their legacy. Going into a fight not 100% and struggling with certain fighters is all a part of boxing. Those who have actually been in a ring and competed know this.

 

I didn't regard him as the GOAT, but come on Fury is so much better than Valuev.

 

It's more that Wilder is really not the same fighter as he was, although if true about his hand which I don't know - then thats Wilder's own fault for going into the fight unhealthy.

 

Yes, I do.
Klitschko was 40 and slow like George Foreman.

 

'Beating up' might have been a strong word I'll give you that but Fury would have schooled him still.

 

Don't disrespect Foreman like that.

 

Remember how Fury got beat up by a wrestler?

 

As long as he came into it fit and went for a points win, yes.

If Fury came in unfit, fought kronk and got into a war anything could've happened... He certainly wouldn't have been able to clinch and lean to tire out Valuev.