Fury to come out of retirement and challenge Usyk for all the marbles Dec 17th

4 months = roughly 16 weeks, that is plenty of time to have some time off, then get back into camp to prepare for Fury, let's not make any excuses for Usyk now.

 

Has Ring added Fury back into the top 10?

Last month he was the Ring Champion. Next month he'll be the #1 contender. That'll take some explaining down the road, considering they never fought.

If the do fight in December, Ring might save face and Usyk won't appear as Champion at all in the annual ratings. Last year ended with Fury as champ, and this year wouldl, too.

Every time Ring makes a stupid decision, they get bailed out by the fighters and people forget.

I was hoping Usyk would fight and lose to Wilder first, so Ring would have to publicly explain to everyone how Wilder is actually the Ring champion and not Fury. I wanted their ridiculous decision to ignore common sense to last a while longer.

But it looks like they'll get bailed out again in December.

 

Which one was out of the rankings for only 13 days (so far) and had to "regain" his Ring title? Jeffries, Louis, Ali, Vitali or Fury himself?

It's the blunder of all ratings blunders by Ring.

Champ one month, #1 contender the next.

 

How reputable is this SOURCE? Usyk just fought Saturday, they started negotiation the next day on Sunday.

I call BS.

 

And who was that?

 

As long as Usyk isn’t recovering from injuries sustained in the last fight, this could work. I’m sure his area below the belt is still recovering. Joshua’s “body punches” included many in the south of the border area. It’s funny he never received a warning for that and the hammer fist punches he threw. Even with cheating, he failed to beat Usyk.

Fury is a tough fight for Usyk but Fury has struggled with southpaws in the past and Usyk will be the best southpaw, best technical boxer Fury has faced in his career. The size difference will be staggering but I never count the Ukrainian out. The man knows how to fight.

 

Why? Usyk isn't getting younger and it wasn't like he just got battered.
It makes perfect sense to me.

 

It's the same turnaround time as boxers who have one fight in May and another in September.

 

Thanks for answering.

There was no Ring magazine when Jim Jeffries boxed, so we'll throw him out.

Who was named the Ring heavyweight champion when Gene Tunney retired as champion in 1928?
Answer: NOBODY.
Because people waited to see if he'd come back, given that Jack Dempsey took off years between defenses (three). Here are the Ring ratings with Gene Tunney in 1928 as champion the year he retired. And even though Dempsey retired, too, and the top two contenders Sharkey and Heeney faced off, it wasn't for the vacant title (It ended in a draw anyway).
https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine's_Annual_Ratings:_1927
Nobody was Ring champ at the start of 1929.
https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine's_Annual_Ratings:_1928
Nobody was the Ring champ at the start of 1930.
https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine's_Annual_Ratings:_1929
Schmeling only became Ring Champ and the new lineal champ after he won over Sharkey ... and Tunney was long gone working in banking somewhere.
https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine's_Annual_Ratings:_1931


Who was named the Ring heavyweight champion when Joe Louis retired as NBA champ, and the top contenders Charles and Walcott fought for his vacant NBA belt?

ANSWER: NOBODY. Because Joe Louis was the lineal champ. And Charles and Walcott didn't beat him. So Ring, which at the time claimed to follow the lineal title, didn't name either Charles or Walcott champ even though they fought and they were top two contenders. Charles only became Ring champ (and lineal champ) when he beat Joe Louis.

See, Joe Louis Ring champ 1949.
https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine's_Annual_Ratings:_1948
NO Ring champ at the start of 1950 after Charles and Walcott fought for the vacant NBA title.
https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine's_Annual_Ratings:_1949
Joe comes back and his first fight is with Charles. And Ezzard becomes the RING champ (and wins the Lineal title) after he beats Louis in 1950
https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine's_Annual_Ratings:_1950

Who was the Ring champ when Muhamamd Ali retired and vacated his WBA belt in 1979 and Holmes and Shavers (who replaced Norton at #2 in the Ring ratings) fought in September 1979?

Answer: NOBODY. Because Ali was the lineal champ. And Holmes and Shavers hadn't beaten him, even though they fought and people thought they were the top two contenders in 1979 after Shavers destroyed Norton.

See, Muhammad Ali as champ 1979.
https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine's_Annual_Ratings:_1978
NOBODY is the Ring champ at the start of 1980.
https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine's_Annual_Ratings:_1979
Holmes becomes Ring champ and WON the Lineal title after he beat Ali at the end of 1980.
https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine's_Annual_Ratings:_1980

You have to beat the Lineal Champ to become the Lineal champ. If he's fighting, you have to beat him or you aren't the lineal champ. You can't vacate a lineal title and remain active, which Fury is. He's preparing for his next fight as we speak.

He was preparing for his next fight when they phoned him.

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Here's where Ring screwed up.

I'll ignore the Vitali scenario but they totally blundered that even naming him Ring champ to begin with since the top two contenders were Vitali and Byrd (who had beaten Vitali), but still they announced the new Ring champ was Vitali after he beat #3 Sanders.
https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine's_Annual_Ratings:_2003

Who was the Ring champ was Ali was stripped of his boxing license and his titles in 1967 and couldn't fight?
Ali was.
Ali was Ring champ in 1968. Rightly so.
https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine's_Annual_Ratings:_1967
Ali was Ring champ in 1969. Rightly so.
https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine's_Annual_Ratings:_1968
Ali was Ring champ in 1970. Rightly so.
https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine's_Annual_Ratings:_1969

Then the Ring decided they'd waited long enough ... and the SAME YEAR Ali RETURNED TO THE RING to stop top contenders Quarry and Bonavena, RING had stripped him of the title and awarded it to the winner of Frazier-Ellis.

If they'd waited "months" longer, Quarry would've been Ali's next Ring title defense after three years (about as long as Dempsey was out).
https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine's_Annual_Ratings:_1971

As it was, Ali and Frazier BAILED RING out be agreeing to fight in early 1971. Frazier won the actual Lineal title then.
https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine's_Annual_Ratings:_1969

Who was the Ring Champ when Fury retired in 2016?
Tyson Fury. Because he beat Wlad and he was the lineal champ.
https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine's_Annual_Ratings:_2016
Who was lineal champ at the start of 2017? Tyson Fury.
https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine's_Annual_Ratings:_2017
Like Ali, Ring decided it could wait no longer and the same year they stripped Fury of their Ring belt Tyson Fury fought three times in 2018 and fought to a draw with Wilder in a WBC title fight.
https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine's_Annual_Ratings:_2018

But the fighters BAILED them out again when Fury and Wilder, the top two contenders, fought in 2020. And Fury was awarded the Ring title back and people recognized him as the Lineal Champ (many never felt he wasn't).

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So Ring is pretty good at following the LINEAL title, but they screw up once in a while when they decide to get involved when they don't have to.

And they really screwed up this time when, 11 days before Joshua-Usyk, the Ring calls Fury and asks the guy - who was trying to schedule a WBC title fight with Chisora and was posting videos of himself training - if he was retired.

And Fury lied and said yes, and Ring said ... despite all the evidence he wasn't .... that they'd name the winner of Usyk-Joshua II Ring champ, since Fury was no longer a boxer.

Why the rush, a week after talking to Fury, are they in a hurry to name a new Ring Champ when they recognized Fury LAST MONTH? Who TF knows.

And 48 hours after the fight, Fury, still training, still the WBC champ, says he's fighting Usyk and no one else. And Usyk says he wants to fight Fury and no one else. And the teams are talking and now the fight may happen in December.

Once again, Ring inserts themselves into a situation but this time TAKES the belt from one guy and hands it to another, when they may have to rank the guy they thought was never fighting again the very next month.

But Fury is still the lineal champ. You lose it in the ring. He has never lost it in the ring. Only on a Ring Magazine conference call.

 

Talking about "all the marbles" brings me back to that heartbreaking scene in Squid Game.