Fury - Usyk

Some Gasman quotes:

Hatman screamed that Wlad Klitschko had "the heart of a 12 year old girl" after he was outpointed by Fury but defended AJ against charges of quitting after he was waved off in the corner against Andy Ruiz.

Hatman claimed that Manny Steward said that “Wlad would never pass Lewis in terms of greatness” when he actually said "Wlad may pass Lennox now" in June 2012 but died over 3 years and 6 wins (7 after that interview) before the end of Wlad's reign, plus Steward said: "Given the opportunity I think he will surpass Lennox. If he can continue to win for 3 more years and beat the likes of (Valuev), Adamek, (especially) Povetkin and (especially) Haye, he will get respect" - September 2010, before another 10 Wlad defences

Hatman said that Wilder was "one of the biggest, if not the biggest puncher in HW history" in 2019 but backtracked on that claim after Fury beat him, saying that "Wilder's power has been overrated" and "we don't know how it compares in history".

Hatman said that Fury beat Klitschko "at the top of his game" in 2015 but recently said that Fury had only beaten "a 38/39 year old Klitschko".

Hatman claimed just before Wilder 2 that if Fury beat Wilder, Whyte and Joshua, he'd be a "1st rate ATG". After Fury beat Wilder x2 and demolished Whyte, Hatman said Fury needed "another 10 defences" to be an "ATG".

Hatman claimed that he "never thought Luis Ortiz was a top 5 heavyweight" (which he has since backtracked on), despite saying that Ortiz would beat Whyte in late 2018, beat Ruiz post-AJ 1 in mid 2019, and have a "very good chance" of beating Joshua in late 2016.

Hatman claimed before Fury-Whyte that there were “shades of Ali-Norton” and “70’s vibes” but after Fury schooled and destroyed Whyte he claimed that Whyte “never had a realistic chance” and later, “Fury cherrypicked him”.

 

Excellent post mate. Hatman is laughable, haven't listened to him in donkeys. Ever thought about starting a channel? You could do a really good one. I'd be a subscriber.

 

Jennings was 6th ranked by Ring, beat top 10 ranked Perez (regardless of any spin doctoring), went 12 rounds with Ring champion P4P No.2 Wlad and gave Joyce his most competitive fight, going 12 rounds. Ortiz outboxed Jennings 4-2 and KO'd him in 7. Ortiz was top 5/6 Ring ranked from 2015-2021.

Joshua got dropped 4x and quit against Andy Ruiz, who couldn't stop a 43 year old 2 KO defeat Ortiz over 12 and only dropped him twice, winning a close decision.

Considering his age and wear, Ortiz's 6th round KO over Martin, knocked down multiple times and coming back to win, is one of the better wins by a 42 year old heavyweight in boxing history. How many better can you name since Holmes beat Mercer? I've never seen Joshua get knocked down more than once and come back to win.

Ortiz was far better than Chisora, who described Ortiz as a "southpaw Mike Tyson" and a "nightmare". In fairness to Chisora, he has decent wins over Takam, Pulev and Scott. Whereas Takam has never KO'd or knocked down ANY of his 10 best opponents, making him a fairly useless fighter above the level of a 42 year old Tony Thompson, who lost 9-3 in Takam's backyard, who Ortiz would shut out and stop in 6.

If Ortiz's performances against Allen and Cojanu weren't impressive, then Whyte and Parker suck don't they?

 

Wilder’s win: Ortiz (38, home)

Wilder’s draw: Fury (30, home)

Wilder’s losses: Fury x2 (31, home, 33, home, underdog)

1-2-1


Lewis's wins: Vitali (31, neutral), Holyfield (37, away)

Lewis's draw: Holyfield (36, away)

Lewis's losses: McCall (29, home), Rahman (29, neutral)

2-2-1


If the likes of Breazeale and Stiverne 2 were so terrible, why did it takes Joshua and Joyce 7 and 6 respectively to get rid of them? Why couldn't Whyte or Chisora stop Helenius over 12? Why couldn't Ruiz stop Liakhovich over 10?

Wilder starching all of these fighters in 1 is evidence of fighting one-punch power, along with his great length, speed, ferocity, toughness, determination and experience.

"Decent fighter" is very subjective. I regard 30-0 skilled southpaw power puncher Ortiz (5th/6th ranked from 2015-2021) as a more than decent fighter, AJ-conqueror Ruiz couldn't even stop him at 43 with 2 KO defeats and he demolished 6th ranked Jennings in 7, who went 12 with Wlad and Joyce. Ortiz is certainly better H2H than J. Ruiz and Maskaev x2 victim Rahman or Norris, Williamson and Gomez victim McCall.

Wilder's career isn't over yet. Perhaps he KO's Joshua, Usyk or Joyce. But regardless of whether he does he's proven to be one of the most devastating one-punch KO artists in boxing history.

“There’s one kid in America that no one speaks of and that’s Deontay Wilder. He was on the Olympic team, big kid, and I have had the fortune of training with him. He is a big kid, he’s bigger than Wladimir too. But he’s got good speed and power and I think the best talent is still going to be Tyson and Deontay Wilder.” - Emmanuel Steward, 2012

“Wilder is the hardest puncher I’ve ever been in with (including Lewis and Wlad).” - Jameel McCline, 2013

“We had good sparring sessions. Wilder is a very hard and strong fighter. I can’t say that there is a big difference (between Wlad’s power and Wilder’s power) but I think that Wilder’s punches are harder. Wilder is the hardest worker I've been in with. In addition he has dangerous angles to his attacks that are difficult to understand. If Klitschko has a classic technique, then Wilder is very unusual and his attacks are very difficult to defend against. If you look from the outside, the movements seem clumsy, but in the ring they work in a very efficient manner." - Murat Gassiev, 2016

“Who would you rather fight: Joshua or Wilder?”

“Oh, man, that’s easy – Anthony Joshua. For my style, he would have been my choice.”

“Deontay Wilder is the scariest heavyweight ever. Not the best ever, the scariest ever. I’d rather fight Mike Tyson than Deontay Wilder, easy. It’s the style matchup, the kid is super long.” - Chris Byrd, 2018

“It would be a dangerous fight for Joshua. I’m not saying he wouldn’t win it but Wilder has something. Due to his weight, he is extremely fast. He has good power in his hands and he’s extremely fast. Maybe he’s kind of wild in his technique but those punches are coming from who knows where. He is hard to defend against: where is that punch going to land and which side is it coming from? Joshua has all-around more capability but Wilder is taller than Joshua and is faster than Joshua. He doesn’t have the weight behind his punches but he is extremely fast, and it would depend upon what kind of mood both fighters were in.” - W. Klitschko, 2018

 

Wazza was on warp 9 with the damage control on TalkSport earlier. He forgot how to speak when Jordz put it on him about Sugar Dull.

 

Do you really watch boxing not to see knockouts? Heavyweight boxing is and has always been about knockouts.

Fury himself constantly talks about how fighter X is getting knocked out to then go in there and throw powder puff punches.

No matter how you sugar coat it or how many paragraphs you write you can’t hide the fact that Fury the 250lb 6 foot 7 man just ducked in his own words, a middleweight.

And as for AJ, what about AJ? I’m not talking about him nor do I like him. Having a go at Fury doesn’t automatically mean someone loves AJ.

 

nobody said you love joshua but you can only be compared to others in your era and fury has been in more evenly matched fights than the two others who have been going for 10+ years

Fury is entertaining because he can do so many things and never know what you will get. It's awesome

 

If heavyweight boxing was "all about KO's" then Holyfield was a boring fighter. I guess you believe that.

Let's not be dishonest: you said that only three of Fury's fight's were exciting, I gave you another eight.

Fights with KO's can be boring: I'm sure many were bored to tears watching Fury school Whyte for 6 rounds before knocking him out. Wlad and Lewis fights were also often like this.

Fury said he'd KO Wilder in fights 2 and 3 and did. He said he'd KO Cunningham and Whyte, and he did. Sometimes he follows through on his promises and sometimes he doesn't but this helps to keep his opponents guessing. You can't hang on the word of fighters.

Team Usyk walked away from the negotiations having demanded 70-30 in the rematch, which was never happening. This isn't a Bowe situation where his team offered 90-10 or whatever and he and Lewis never fought. It's unclear how it will all play out.

 

wow okay, I had to skim that. Better question, why are you getting this worked up by a channel designed to aggro you?

 

Gasman claims to be "objective" and "unbiased" but is a dishonest, low IQ cretin, basically.

I used to be a regular viewer but over time noticed the contradictions and came to dislike him.

 

I suspect he is very much self-aware.

 

I give up, you win. Fury v McDermott was phenomenal as was his epic trilogy with chisora. Fury wins every hypothetical match up without it ever happening or being questioned.

 

Jennings was 6thth ranked because he got a controversial win over Perez who wrongly got a point deduction near the end of fight. If it wasn't for this point deduction it would have a draw on judges scorecards. Talking about draw Perez actually got a gift against Takam who everyone with exception of judges thought Takam won.

Wilder was only ahead of AJ for first time in years in Ring magazine due to very controversial decision not put Ruiz at number 1 for beating the number HW1 at the time in AJ.

 

This post is on a par with army guy Jim banging on about how Fury and some guy who works in his local factory is really cool.

One of the posts is amongst the saddest thing I’ve ever read, I’m just not sure which one it is.

 

This forum is in the knackers yard. Ban the lot of them.