Fury v Frazier..

Maybe but matchwise it’s virtually improbable that Frazier even wins more then 4 rounds against Fury , Chisora is 6”2 no one but a prime Mike Tyson that height can possibly defeat Fury .

 

Both have one style, that’s come forward , duck under guys and grind them out ,it’s a bigger version of Frazier with less variety and less punch output only because Chisora has him by a good 30 pounds at least .

There’s no one in the last 5 years that came close to defeating Fury , Frazier was getting out boxed by Buster Mathis who is Fury like with less skill and power with an added 5 inches of height,it won’t go good at all for Joe.

 

To be fair though the competition in the current heavyweight division isn’t as good and the division is a lot smaller nowadays. In the 60’s and 70’s Tyson would’ve found plenty of tough competition.

Also, the gap in skill between Chisora and Frazier is huge.

 

Most guys 210 and under fight at Cruiserweight today, which didn't exist in the 60's and 70's. Back then, everyone who was above LHW was heavyweight.

You'd have to combine the two for an apples to apples comparison of depth in the division. As it is? Half the guys ranked in those eras wouldn't even be Heavyweights today.

Frazier was a beast, but he was also shot after 35 fights. In his 37 fight career, ten were against guys that weighed 215 or more on fight night. Chris Byrd would've been one of the bigger men he ever fought.

 

The average heavyweight is 3 inches taller and 25 pounds heavier or so, no the division is not smaller and not smaller with top guys it hasn’t shrunk it has actually grew and with about 10 national and Olympic champs combined dwarfs the eras you mentioned .


Fans usually have a hard time moving on in boxing but in no way does Frazier even make a top 5 now unless he’s fighting a Wilder who is always 50/50 with most era champions only because he can’t box but has speed and a 6”7 frame .

 

The cruiserweight division watered down the competition in the heavyweight division. This is why guys can get away with showing up 10-20 lbs over weight. The heavyweights on average are heavier nowadays, but not really taller. They just inflate boxer’s heights more. Also, Wilder is not 6’7”. Wilder is 6’5.5” at most. Wilder was at our gym back in 2012 and I seen first hand that he wasn’t 6’7”. Fury is a legitimate 6’7” though.

Most of the top 10 heavyweights today have inflated heights. Joe Joyce is listed at 6’6”, but is noticeably shorter than Joshua, who is 6’5.5”. As an amateur Joyce was listed at 6’4”. Luis Ortiz’s bogus 6’4” listing was exposed when he fought Wilder. I’ve also met Usyk several years ago at Nazo’s and he was barely taller than me, so he diffidently isn’t 6’3”, but closer to 6’1” to 6’1.5”. Whyte is most likely closer to 6’2” than 6’4” considering how Wach towered over him. Jarrell Miller personally admitted he was 6’2” when ever last was trying to hype him as being 6’5”.

Here is an article on Fury early in his career.
“Dave Oakes takes a look at Tyson Fury, the 6'7" 250 pound heavyweight from Manchester.”
http://theboxingbulletin.blogspot.com/2009/05/introducing-tyson-fury-story-photo.html?m=1

Here is another article on Fury’s height.
“Like him or lump him, Tyson Fury is the World heavyweight champion.

The 6-foot-7 monster from Manchester currently holds just the WBA and WBO belts, but that's not important; he beat the recognised world champion, and so now he is the recognised world champion.”
https://www.balls.ie/boxing/id-win-...doesnt-care-much-for-stripped-ibf-belt-329327

This is an old piece on Joyce.
“He is 108kg (17 stone) and 193cm (6foot4) tall. He is a world-class super-heavyweight boxer. He recently won a silver medal at the Rio Olympics. Yet what makes Joe Joyce from the United Kingdom so remarkable has nothing to do with his size or boxing ability. In fact, it’s probably the last thing you might automatically attribute to a world-class heavyweight boxer.
https://medium.com/@petermandeno/th...f-it-requires-your-dancing-shoes-20f2e9ba4f52

Also, Frazier’s era wasn’t even my era, since I grew up on Tyson, Holyfield, Bowe, Lewis, etc... I have no problem accepting new talented fighters, but pretending a new fighter is better just because he’s bigger is laughable.

You said Frazier wouldn’t make the top 5, so that means you think Frazier couldn’t beat Andy Ruiz or Povetkin (old)?

 

@Jackomano

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Frazier would not even make himself a name in CW...

 

This statement is laughable. Frazier’s son Marvis was more than good enough to be a cruiserweight champ if he fought today or a top 10 heavyweight and he wasn’t half the fighter his father was.

 

If it was that easy to predict outcomes then actual fights would be completely unecessary.

 

I was responding to his comment that Joe Frazier wouldn't be good enough to a top fighter at the cruiserweight, which isn't exactly known for its quality of competition and is one of the weakest divisions. Every now and then it does produce a very good fighter like Holyfield, Haye, Usyk, but for the most part its a stepping stone division. For his statement to be anything but laughable it would mean Joe Frazier couldn't beat guys like Dorticos or Mchunu, who are horrible. Guys like Jerry Quarry or Bob Foster would chew up and spit out guys like Dorticos or Mchunu.

 

Sorry, my mistake.

 

Fraizer on points too much volume and one of the greatest engine in heavyweight history

 

Fury