Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Okin129, Jun 9, 2019.
Agreed, Hammer is a European level guy but he looked even less than that against Fury
Fury couldn’t knockout a wank
Fury also dominated prime Chisora the same way.
Chisora was a bit better than Hammer imo.
So what does that make Povetkin then? For being unable to KO two guys that Fury was able to KO? The same Fury who couldn't even KO a 'wank', according to you? Does that make Povetkin someone who is even lesser than a wank?
Hammer's a decent gatekeeper and did come to fight against Fury but yeah, Fury made easy work of him and forced him to quit, like he did with Chisora which takes some doing. I expect a similar type performance against Schwarz this weekend.
@anjawnaymiz no, not really. Hammer caught Ortiz off balance once or twice but other than that it was a typical straightforward victory for Ortiz similar to the Travis Kauffman fight.
Which rounds did win Huck in the first or last quarter?
He could get hardly more than 4 rounds (although 2 were dominant) and I have the same citizenship as him.
Doesn’t a gatekeeper have to shut the gate every once in a while?
Grow up and get adult before responding to me!
Fact is Huck fought in Germany against Powetkin and his promoter organized the event, therefore was he the home-town boxer here.
So if the judges benefit anyone, then it wasn't the Russian most likely.
Fact is Huck was green/ very inexperienced against Cunningham and got caught by a counter, when he went all out. But he did very well in the first 4 rounds there (the judges had it unfortunately different on the scorecards).
Also is fact that Alexander Powetkin was totally out of shape against Marco Huck, but won clear. While Ruslan Tschagajew performed better than Huck against a Powetkin well prepared and at his best. He had him out of his feet too (in round 6 and 7, which were 10 - 8 rounds arguable), but Atlas motivated him with his dead father in the last third, to turn it around.
Fury might have won against Cunningham a competition in free fight/ cage fight, but not in boxing.
Even the current Powetkin would defeat him, as he is still much more skillful.
And you improve your English before responding to me!
Literally nothing you typed, changes what I stated in regards to:
Tyson Fury KO'ed Steve Cunningham. Steve Cunningham stopped and beat Marco Huck conclusively. Whilst Povetkin couldn't stop Huck and needed a close / questionable decision. Thus, Fury > Cunningham > Povetkin > Huck (that's if I agree for argument's sake that Huck wasn't robbed against Povetkin).
You claim Huck was green / inexperienced against Cunningham? You do realize that Huck literally never had a single fight at heavyweight, before fighting Povetkin for his first fight at heavyweight? Whilst Povetkin was fighting at heavyweight for his entire career? So if anything, Huck was totally inexperienced at heavyweight and still fought Povetkin to a close draw. Doesn't matter if Povetkin wasn't in his best condition. Huck wasn't in his best condition either, since he's not even a natural heavyweight but a cruiser weight so Huck was also out of shape.
And no, Povetkin did not win clearly against Huck!
Fury needed a corrupt referee for old marinaded Cunningham, while he was 30Kg heavier and two heads taller.
You mentioned Huck had no Heavyweight fight before Powetkin? So had Cunningham vs. Fury.
Huck was alread 3 years world champion when he challenged Powetkin, in the middle of his reign. Cunningham had some defeats in Cruiserweight since he met Huck, which was at his peak, but vs. Fury were his best days (in Cruiserweight) well behind him, like for Huck now.
Huck is even taller than Powetkin and they had the same size (he weight in with 94Kg, not with 90 as Cunningham literally as ruiserweight). Are you on drugs? He didn't get a close draw, but he lost at home! Check it on Boxrec, as you usually relying (building) so much on facts as most significant, but apparently only if these suits to your agenda.
Against Cunningham was his first world title fight, vs. Powetkin his 10th, you see the differnce? You are very childish.
Huck was 5 years more mature, when he fought him with 27. But was nearly stopped in the last 3 rounds.
Still lost hands down and was humilated in the first couple of rounds, in opposite to Cunningham, where I gave him 3 of the first 4 rounds.
So Fury at least stopped Steve Cunningham whilst Povetkin won by majority decision against Marco Huck.
So beating Steve Cunningham by stoppage > beating Marco Huck by majority decision.
Therefore, Fury > Povetkin.
The rest are all gibberish excuses coming from you!
That't a very simple minded and naive calculation, for someone who has no clue how boxing works.
Fury was behind on points and got the aid of the referee or rather were ignored most Queensberry rules, by using the whole body to squash/ push cruiserweight Steve Cunningham at the very end of his career down, while there were more than two weight-classes between them.
Powetkin won hands down in Germany against a Marco Huck at his peak, when both had around the same weight and the challenger was even bigger (from size/ frame). But heself was out of shape and tired acter 3 rounds.
It's like to compare apples with pears, totally different, what understand anybody who isn't a great fool. But out of question is, that Alexander Powetkin had the bigger challenge/ task and he wasn't knocked down, let alone almost counted out (unlike Tyson Fury), when he fought the more dangerous puncher.
Steve Cunningham (and all other sub-heavyweights) know the challenges ahead of them that they will have to face against super heavyweights like Tyson Fury. Tyson Fury didn't force Cunningham to fight him. Cunningham chose to fight Fury.
Weight bullying by using size advantage as Fury did against Steve Cunningham (to KO him), is part of heavyweight boxing. That's what makes the heavyweight division unique and different from other divisions. A boxer can outweigh their opponents by an unlimited amount. Not just Fury, but the Klitschkos, Lennox Lewis, Muhammad Ali, Larry Holmesm Anthony Joshua and many other super heavyweights have all used their size advantage by weight bullying their opponents in similar fashion, be it by pushing, or by grabbing them. Again, this has always been part of heavyweight boxing.
If Cunningham, Povetkin and Huck can't handle these super heavyweights who rely on their weight advantage, then they need NOT fight at heavyweight and are free to go down to cruiser weight or light heavyweight.
Fury KO'ed Cunningham. Doesn't matter what you think about the KO. Fury KO'ed Cunningham using his weight advantage as a super heavyweight whilst weight-bullying Cunningham. Meanwhile, Povetkin couldn't KO Huck. Therefore, Fury > Povetkin. It doesn't matter if Povetkin didn't have the size advantage over Huck as Fury did over Cunningham and therefore couldn't weight bully Huck in similar fashion. His lack of size is his own problem and nobody forced Povetkin to fight at heavyweight, if his lack of size is such a problem against a career cruiser weight. But if he is going to be fighting as a heavyweight, then he is going to be judged as one and compared to one. And when comparing Fury and Povetkin as heavyweights, Fury > Povetkin.
Fury's size > Povetkin's size
Fury's weight > Povetkin's weight
Fury's speed > Povetkin's speed
Fury's power > Povetkin's power
Fury's reach > Povetkin's reach
So it's Fury > Povetkin in every department at heavyweight.
Povetkin is worse than a dog poo in front of Fury. Povetkin is a disgrace and a shame to Russian people (are you Russian by the way?) by getting humiliated by a British fighter (Anthony Joshua) in shameful / disgraceful fashion in front of thousands of his own Russian countrymen and women by getting dropped twice, without being able to KO Joshua or at least go the distance without getting dropped like the disgraceful poo that he is.
Povetkin made a bad example out of Russian people through getting knocked out by Joshua and therefore showing to the whole world how weak Russians (like himself and in general) are.
So I don't know why you hype this up and pretend it was something great or make an outstanding performance of it. Rather should he ashamed of this fight, as you should about what you write here, as he got badley exposed and was huge favourite, regarding the physical advantages particular (just as age). The Klitschkos and Walujew were very often blamed and critisized for weight-bullying, but here did it even more a occur, against a real cruiserweight, outweighted by almost one and a half of his whole body.
This was barely as tune-up supposed for Fury and he failed badly. It was mumy-boxing and most boxers got ****-storm for this, like Lebedev fighting Jones and Toney. To promote this as a great victory is worse than to glorify Nikos win over Vander, this could only do a casual novice teenager who is used to watch pro wrestling (instead of real sports).
My point was simply that Fury > Povetkin at heavyweight. Can you disprove this? Since you haven't done so yet!
And the rest of your waffle is totally irrelevant! Fury knocked Jennings out using his size advantage. Jennings wasn't forced to fight Fury. Jennings decided to fight Fury and got KTFO. If he can't handle Fury's size, he shouldn't have taken the fight.