Fury vs Joshua = Calzaghe vs Lacy all over again?

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Tyson Fury vs Anthony Joshua who wins?

  1. Tyson Fury

    30 vote(s)
    66.7%
  2. Anthony Joshua

    15 vote(s)
    33.3%
  1. Jim Dean

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    In to his bed after a easy KO win against Joshua.
     
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  2. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Top 5 past

    M. Tyson
    Lewis
    T. Morrison
    V. klitchko
    G. Foreman

    Present

    Wlad
    Joshua
    Parker
    Wilder
    Fury

    (looking forward to trey Morrison)
     
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  3. Jim Dean

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    Solid lists. Joshua vs Wladimir how do you see it going?
     
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    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    You're to much of a moron to actual comprehend half the stuff i know!
     
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    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I like Joshua. I would want Wlad to win to see him cement a great career,but thats a tall order. I'll post more about that match up. I think style wise it also favors joshua,hes vastly undermined and Wlad will need to be pin point near perfect to win this one.
     
  6. DoubleJab666

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    If I only comprehend only half the stuff you know, would that be the 'A' or the 'J'?
     
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  7. Jim Dean

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    Fair enough.
     
  8. GALVATRON

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    KLITCHKO vs JOSHUA


    Long breakdown.


    ANALYSIS

    POWER : Joshua

    OFFENSIVE SKILL inside: Joshua outside : Klitchko

    DEFENSIVE SKILL: Klitchko

    GAUGING DISTANCE : Joshua

    ACCURACY: Joshua

    SPEED : DRAW (Wlad is not as fast anymore/Joshua is underatted in this area)

    FOOTWORK : Klitchko

    CHIN : Not Appliable

    EXPERIANCE : Klitchko

    WEIGHT : not very important both between 240/250...Wlad will make the right adjusted weight as Joshua.its unrealistic to say who weighs what until weigh ins really,because one fighter can weigh more than the other or vice versa if both switch it up. there is no advantage when both are about 6'6 and 240 plus,its how each use tthe weight.

    STYLES : Klitchko : A defense cautionary first set up ,needs the jab to make everything happen without it he loses this fight and if he left hooks off the jab he can k.o Joshua bc he wont see it coming but the left hook is often not thrown enough otherwise you would have seen more Pulev like endings . Joshua : A go forward aggressive pressure set up , he has the abilities to fight inside or out side and is the better counter puncher who has speed which is going to make him extremely dangerous here ,

    X FACTORS : Physical attributes : Wlads major weapon besides the jab is ability to force his opposition to go on the inside bc they simply cant out box him from the outside and thats where he utilises clinching and beats you up there ,either way he wins . Unfortunatly Joshua is 6'6 240/250 and will hold his own if this happens but unlike anyone hes fought , Joshua can rip power shots there and thats where he does his best work .I believe no matter how experienced Klitchko is he wont avoid having to out fight him on the inside. EDGE : Joshua

    FIGHT CONTROL : Who ever can hit with more authority while utilizing footwork will dictate pace ,,Wlad has the edge here and will need it bc ifhe lets Joshua bull rush him and doesn't let him get comfortable its going to be a short fight bxc Joshua isnt easy to hit as most ppl THINK and he can throw fast combinations from heady to body if he gets Wlad on the ropes and hurts him hes going to win . EDGE : Wlad

    MENTAL TOUGHNESS : Klitchko knows what its like to survive fights alot more and certainly will be looking to crush his next opponent to show last one was an off night and continues to bring that here,Joshua is hungrier and wants to lay waste to the entire HW division without breaking sweat and thinks he will be on top for as long as hes fighting . Opposite is Wlad who knows limited time is not on his side and his legacy can be re written with this win alone ,he does not want to leave the game on an Loss . This makes BOTH guys confidence go up a level a win over Wlad will solidify Joshua as the best no question and for Wlad to beat such a young powerful opponent at 40 one will have to rethink his standing as an ATG and in my book puts him over Vitali . Its a TALL order , i think Joshua's train of thought the work effort and style will make it difficult . EDGE : Joshua

    PREDICTED WINNER : Joshua 65% Chance I dont believe Wlad can survive 12 rounds with Joshua...he needs a knock out. Joshua is way to aggressive and with size will hit Wlad sooner than later,and its not going to be an advantage for a long range fighter the longer this goes,which gives the inside fighter the edge,and Joshua does not rest on the inside he throws killer body and head combinations.Looking on how a fighter improves from 15 to 20 fights is important which why when wlad fights Joshua we are not getting the Whyte or Breazeale version.Expect Joshua to be a scary,powerful on point guy when he steps in the ring like hes never been...Klitchko HAS to be his best ever to win this and that points to Joshua being favored.

    One has to think a 6'6 athletic power puncher is going to get the job here against a Wlad that no one knows which wlad is still able to pull the trigger of punching accurately and timing his punches against a very underatted thinking Joshua who is very smart himself.
     
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    You are King Slender 2.0 from YouTube and I don't believe you if you deny it.
     
  10. Jim Dean

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    By the way you must of put a lot of effort in to that. Well done.
     
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  11. DoubleJab666

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    So let's break this fight down. Firstly, only one fighter here carries true one-punch knock out power. And that's Joshua. So if it is going to end early, it can only be an AJ win and that's his best hope. His problem is Fury knows this too. He also knows Joshua has never been past seven rounds and has no experience of boxing the championship rounds, which is a massive flaw in his development and a result of him being served up fights to make him look good rather than aid his development.

    So far, Joshua has mainly (Whyte being the exception and look what happened there) been forced to deal with boxers who retreat to the ropes and become static targets, and as a result Joshua’s plodding footwork has yet to be exposed. Watch him closely and you will see he separates getting into range from letting the shot go. Compare this to Kovalev, for example, who steps into range and unleashes his power punches in one fluid movement, and then half-steps again as his opponent retreats and shoots again. If Kovalev is the master of this technique (and I mention him only as a reference point regarding this particular technique), Joshua is the polar opposite and in the split second he needs to set his feet, Fury will jab, move and make him re-set. That’s the first half of the fight right there.

    Joshua simply has not been forced to deal with enough different styles of opponents, and Fury's movement is something he has never encountered in his professional career. Fury knows how to nullify a big puncher, he did that against Wlad, who arguably hits harder than Joshua and certainly has a better jab. A fully-fit Fury would box and move for the first six rounds, winning some of them from the jab alone and wait for Joshua to slowly gas, and for the lactic acid to slow his muscle-bound physique. Then it’s game on.

    It could be the case that Fury is happy to maintain this pattern throughout the 12 rounds and ease out to a comfortable points win, or he might decide to begin to take the fight to Joshua once he starts to tire. But then he’s tactically flexible and able to adapt during a fight.

    Questions remain about Joshua’s ability to work for 36 minutes but we know for a fact that Fury can. We also know he can come back and win after being hurt, another hole in Joshua’s boxing credentials. What will he do when he’s been floored, stunned and hurt? Again, we simply do not know. He recovered reasonably well against Whyte but I contend he was not as badly shaken in that fight as some like to maintain. Fury is not a massive puncher but don’t forget he has a 72% KO rate. So he can dig well enough to discourage.

    So in many important criteria Joshua is untested and Fury is proven. Now reading all the above would seem to suggest I predict an easy Fury win, but I do see Joshua as a very real threat. My gut feeling (as of right now) is a fit and focused Fury wins on points. But you can make a case for Joshua early. However, only an idiot would claim this fight would be a routine win for Joshua.
     
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  12. GALVATRON

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    Not really...lol..i cut that short.I have a vid on here in the training section.yea thats me. i also have more to add to that breakdown since..but...i want to see some Wlad training clips before this fight.
     
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    No one said anything about routine which is why i have it at 65% ,so you obviously are the idiot!
     
  14. Jim Dean

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    Yes, you are a clever guy. The Chisora vs Whyte fight was a lot tougher than you thought though. He looked like he was working on the right skills before the Fury fight, I hope he does not apply the same skills against Joshua though. I don't believe he need to, or that it would benefit him.
     
  15. DoubleJab666

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    Really? Do you even remember some of the things you write? You called it a 'huge mismatch' here...

    ... and earlier said...

    I'm glad I only comprehend half of what you know, because 50% of nothing is still a big, fat zero...
     
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