Fury vs Schwarz

I'm not sure you can say that with too much confidence in fairness. I fear we'll just be on an endless loop where the 'real' Fury is the guy who beat Klitschko and there's something wrong every other time. Fury that fought Pajkic; inexperienced. Fury that fought Cunningham; developing. Fury that fought Abell: distracted. Fury that fought Seferi: nervous. Fury that fought Pianeta: rebuilding. Fury that fought Wilder: not ready. Fury that fought Scwartz: recovering. If Fury rematched Wilder or fought Joshua and was knocked out does the same follow? That Tyson at his best beats everyone? Was the Klitschko performance really that impressive?

It also begs the question; was the Klitschko who fought Fury 'the real' Klitschko?

I don't know. But it all feels a bit like seeing your football team get beat every week but when they turn up and win 3-0 that's the real version, rather than an anomaly. I'd be more inclined to suggest the real Fury was the elite performer but so often against guys he should be wiping out he looks flappy, occasionally crude, often distracted and lacking in power.

 

Mate - change the bloody record...

 

It wouldn't be such a bad fight if Fury hadn't have kept banging on about only wanting to fight the best and how his next opponent would be a top 5 HW! That and the ducking a rematch with Wilder and it's not such a good look for the furious one ATM. Shame really as after his performance against Wilder I really did think he was gonna shake things up a bit more than this tbh. Hopefully his next fight is a big one!

 

Sorry to disagree with you here but, Miller would go through Schwarz without any trouble at all. Too big, too busy and with a decent enough chin to not be even remotely troubled by Schwarz' moderate power.

Outside of Wilder, Fury, Whyte and maybe Ortiz, I think Miller is the sternest test AJ could take right now given it's also on Millers home turf. Breazeale for Wilder is pretty much unavoidable while Fury has elected to take on an absolute no mark, very disappointing.

 

You think Eddie Hearn has managed to get Miller ranked top ten by Boxrec and the Ring?

 

I think you care far too much about what people do/don't think about boxing Tony. I think you have a point here actually, and whilst I don't agree entirely I see what you're saying and that there is some truth there.

As others have said though, you do talk about Tyson Fury on here all the time and it's a little unusual for someone you hate so much.

 

There's nothing wrong with a keep busy fight the problem is that it's almost a 7 month gap between this and the Wilder boutand Fury will not fight AJ or Wilder this year so probably another meaningless fight in Autumn for him. So that's essentially 2019 wasted for him from a legacy standpoint (but not a financial one if the rumours are true).
If this fight happened in March or maybe April and then the Wilder rematch in the summer fair enough but it's the huge gaps in between fights that nearly all the top boxers are guilty of that's hurting the port.

 

Can you even keep on subject Tony or are you just going to reply with absolute dribble to everything I've said. The Joshua who lost to whyte in the amateurs is a different Joshua to the one we know now. Agree or disagrew

 

Given that fury announced this fight after aj and wilder had already announced their opponents. Who would you have liked to see Fury fight? This is what makes me laugh about boxing fans. They want every fight to be a signature fight. The Klitcho reign has only just ended. Klitcho did not fight top quality opponents every time. Nor did ali. Nor did Fraizer. Nor did Foreman, same for tyson, I can name literally hundreds of legendary boxers who didn't fight the best available opponent. I'm not saying I wanted to see Fury Schwartz, I'm not saying it's a brilliant fight. I'm saying AJ Miller and Wilder Breazele are hardly much better. AJ and wilder had their chance to strike a deal and failed hence Fury fighting Wilder way before even his own father thought he was ready. It should have been AJ. Maybe now we'd be talking about the AJ Wilder rematch. But we're not. Being a big boxing fan I would have liked to see any of these guys fighting somebody like Ortiz or Whyte but there big risks. Collectively the top 3 heavy weights are the ones ****ing it all up. Playing it safe while they find the bottle to fight each other. If you are pleased with any of the matches made then we simply have a different perspective on boxing. Also note I haven't individually blamed any of the 3 boxers. I only hear what the press allowed us too and different outlets will make one sound worse than the other but as always has been the case, politics is the problem. If the top 3 aren't going to fight each other then there's only 7 top ten opponents left. I am only glad we aren't talking about one of the big names fighting manual charr

 

I hear you, I really do. It's just that I see Miller as a live opponent. If AJ overlooks or attaches too much emotion to the fight he's going to struggle. Wilder and Breazeale have a genuine beef and DB is tough and will definitely take Wilder rounds at the very least. And then we have Schwarz who according to Box rec, is the no. 5 heavyweight in...........Germany.

The main issue I have is the fact that both Tyson and Bricktop promised us a top 5 heavyweight. Now given the current situation in the Heavyweight division, with many of the top guys currently tied up, I knew that was likely to be somewhat unrealistic but, Thomas Schwarz really is a bit of a stretch. The aforementioned Oscar Rivas would have been pretty perfect in my eyes. Kabayal at least has a decent record. Charr has the regular WBA belt. Jennings even though coming off a loss has name recognition. Parker likewise. Kuzmin had a decent win against Price and there are many more I could name that would make more sense than Schwarz.

 

This will be a boring year at Heavyweight

 

I'm sorry but I think this is just overrating Schwarz massively.

Objective, neutral organisations have him ranked somewhere around the 40 mark. You're asking who would be better? Parker, Rivas, Kabayel, Kownacki and Ortiz are all available. Pulev fought last night so is now free and could probably have fought in the summer.

I just don't get the idea that if it's not one of Wilder or Joshua that everyone else is the same. All of those names would be favourites to beat Schwarz.

 

Sorry but, Hughie 'Shades of Ali' Fury does not beat Miller, that is beyond a stretch to claim that, nowhere near enough output and doesn't bang anywhere near hard enough to keep Miller off him for a full 12 and Miller does actually close off the ring and walk down opponents pretty well.