Fury Vs The Heavyweight Greats

Fury really isn't anything special in terms of a big man with athletic attributes. He is unique in the sense that he has the physical attributes and was brought up in a fighting family. Imagine Wilt Chamberlin groomed from the age of 2 years old to be a fighter or LeBron James. Wilder gave people hell due to just size and athleticism no real skill or fundamentals. Fury is a unique fighter. Can't really see any ATG under 6'3" giving him real issues. Question is, how does Fury do without the boar meat?

 

Wilt Chamberlin may have a glass chin, LeBron James may have no fighting instincts. AJ's a better sprinter than Fury but he has slower feet in the ring, lacks Fury's fluidity and engine. They are different sports requiring different attributes but sure, if every 210+ lbs man in the world was born in a fighting family then Fury would have a lot more competition. That would be true in nearly any sport though.

How does any fighter in a PED era do without PED's? Not as well obviously but they are fighting men who are juiced themselves, so it balances out. It's one reason though why it's silly to compare between distant eras.

Wilder's primary skill is landing a KO/KD punch; if he can't learn/utilise high level pointfighting technique (and he's underrated in this respect) it's not because he can't get top coaching or hasn't been in the game long. Fighters have been more conventionally polished with later starts and less time in boxing. Even without considering the technical side of things though, Wilder's attributes go well beyond size and athleticism. He's got very good experience, toughness, powers of recovery, fighting instincts, discipline, motivation, focus, engine, unconventionality, unpredictability, determination, heart, belief etc. He's also, oddly enough, quite easy to underestimate ("he's got no skills, he wins based on luck, I can outbox him carefully over 12 rounds") which is a trap a few of his opponents have fallen into.

 

Also fights Ali should have lost but got the nod due to who he was .

 

You're not taking into account Chamberlin and LeBron were not brought up in a fighting family. If Fury had a basketball in his hand at 2, I bet he would have been a hell of a ball player. I think LeBron and Wilt would have been forces of nature in the ring if they were brought up in the same environment Fury was. As far as Wilder goes, nothing to brag about in terms of greatness and how a win over him stacks up to other greats best wins. But DW does have heart, toughness an power and you mentioned.

 

Ali, Lewis, Foreman, Vitali.

Maybe Liston.

That's about it.





(Usyk ?)

 

any hw that can legitimately be called great beats fury. any of em.

 

"I bet he would have been a hell of a ball player"

Maybe but I wouldn't bet on it, I don't think the skills are that transferrable. Some tall guys who go into other sports or other things in life could be elite boxers or basketballers, that's undeniable. But I don't think that just because someone is tall and good at a given sport, he will be good at boxing or basketball. There are also guys who would be relatively poor at most other sports but make good boxers.

Wilder is underrated because A. he's a modern fighter B. he lost to Fury C. he's power over conventional skill. But everyone knows what would happen if you could time machine Norton or Frazier against him, people on this forum can pretend otherwise and there's no cost in doing so but if their lives depended on it, everyone would be picking the "6'7 freak athlete fight to the death long-reigning champion modern KO artist" in those matchups. Also, fans of Lewis and Wlad tend to hate Wilder because again, they know that with his attributes and the vulnerabilities of these fighters to big punchers, there's a high chance that Lewis would get sparked and Wlad would hit the canvas a few times and be TKO'd. We won't see more accurate assessments of Wilder's ability for 10 years or so, then people will hold him in higher regard and complain that the current heavyweights are not up to it. It's an endless cycle in boxing.

 

wilder is dumpster juice.

 

ATG gatekeeper, because of the size and what he does well with it. I don’t think he could get past a Larry Holmes at his best

 

Wilder has power, but horrible fundamentals. Let's be honest, he got destroyed once he stepped in there with someone good. H2H he can beat any ATG. His power is that good. But we know some of the greats can disarm that power and he becomes a punching bag after that. The fact that people use Wilder as a way to legitimize Fury as an ATG is a joke. Both guys have weak resumes, not worthy of ATG status. Of course, I use accomplishments to judge ATG status, not mythical match ups.

 

How does any top level boxer from the mid 50's onward do without the boar meat?

 

Mexican beef. It's funny, Canelo gets criticized at every turn for the beef, yet Fury rarely gets called out for the boar meat. Their situations are exactly the same.

 

Fury gets overrated in h2h forums because he's simply never been beat, beating Wilder x3 and old Wlad is just not enough to tell me you can beat Lennox Lewis.

 

come on, we all know why that is. we also know what it says about these individuals. so them talking about fairness, or ethics, is a frickin joke, just like them.

 

Johnson - Fury KO Late
Dempsey - Fury UD or Late TKO
Tunney - Fury MD
Schmeling - Fury UD
Louis - Fury UD or Louis KO Late (I slightly favour Louis)
Charles - Tyson Late KO or SD
Walcott - Tyson Late KO
Marciano - Fury TKO (cuts)
Patterson - Fury Mid - Late TKO (see Ali-Patterson I)
Liston - Fury UD
Ali - Fury SD (stylisticallyba tough fight for both, but edge it to Fury due to size)
Frazier - Fury SD (Frazier style would be very problematic, but Fury will adapt by manhandling & leaning all his weight on Frazier).
Foreman - Fury UD (Fury gets hurt to the body, but comes back to outmuscles & outhustle Foreman to a UD).
Holmes - Fury SD (similar to Ali)
Tyson - Tyson Mid-Late TKO or UD (Similar to Bonecrusher & Tucker)
Holyfield - Fury MD
Lewis - Lewis MD
Wladimir Klitschko - Fury UD