Fury Vs The Heavyweight Greats

"Wilder and Fury have terrible records"

By what standard? There are more styles, body types and nationalities at HW today than ever. Wilder and Fury have fewer losses and fewer controversial decisions. Holyfield for example had 10 losses which could have easily been 15, Ali had 5 losses which could have easily been 10. Wilder has among the most impressive KO record's of all time at HW, if not the most. Fury uniquely beat two reigning 10+ consecutive defence champions (a feat not equalled in any weight class to my knowledge) and did it on the road.

It's like saying Frazier, Ali etc. have "terrible records" compared to some 180 lbs "heavyweight" from 1900 with 150 pro fights. Apples and oranges.

 

Fury and Wilder, nothing but can crushers. Not impressed. You have the nerve to compare these guys to Ali and Holyfield? LOL Ali was out during his prime. Holyfield fought all comers and only got the bulk of his losses due to fighting way past his time. Just like Ali. Only a few days left before Fury fights. Better hope he doesn't lose. I'll be waiting for you. Of course you'll be going on abut how great Whyte is and how much better he is than all the ATG's in history. LOL

 

Compared to Fury and Wilder, Ali and his opponents might well be cans. If you want to worship fighters with "amazing records" by that standard, there are plenty from the early 20th century with 100-200+ fights with loads more wins against contenders and champions, despite often having dozens of losses. But comparing these guys to modern fighters is absurd; a record is always relative to the era and the weight. Boxing fans can't be objective about these bygone eras so limiting the debate to post-2004, how many HW's have better overall record's than Wilder? It's a short list and even debatable within that short list.

Whyte will be the same guy regardless of whether he lands a KO punch: on the same level as Cunningham, Wallin, Chisora. If Fury loses to a contender like Whyte, regardless of any excuses, it seriously damages his legacy, just as it did the elite SHW's who got KO'd.

 

All those names you just listed, Cunningham, Chisora, Wallin. Lennox doesn't NEED those names because hes faced WAY harder competition, he doesn't need Fury's inferior h2h resume to prove anything, Fury on the other hand does.
I guarantee you if Fury fought the same amount of fights Lennox did he'd eventually get clipped randomly too (like he almost did against Cunningham).

All those names, even having those problems of being mental.. washed.. blah blah blah, are still way better then way Fury has proven against Wilder and Wlad,

"It's the top wins on your record that are the most important in H2H, not having a nice collection of B and C level wins" Thats just not true at all imo, different variety of fighters = showing adversity against styles on top contenders.

Lennox was stopped by top contenders, Fury was also dropped by a cruiserweight, it happens, you get clipped, both are shown for suspect chins (though Fury has shown amazing recovery which again, was against Deontay Wilder, an inferior fighter in Pajkic, and a also inferior fighter Cunningham, very similar to Lennox).

Lennox also came back to beat BOTH guys (showing adjustment, adding h2h resume).

Lastly, Lennox doesn't need to prove anything fighting a style like Wilder or Wallin, hes already fought FAR greater finishers and styles.

 

"Lennox doesn't need to prove anything fighting a style like Wilder or Wallin, hes already fought FAR greater finishers and styles"

He really didn't though. Go beyond Vitali and old Holyfield x2 and you're into the likes of Rahman, Mercer and Tua aka Whyte and Chisora x2 territory. Fighting tough southpaws is important to assess H2H ability, Lewis didn't fight any. Fighting fast 6'3 cruisers is important, Lewis fought none. Fighting snipers and KO artists is also important: he fought no one as dangerous as Wlad away and Wilder x3 away, yet he was one-punch KO'd twice by no-hoper fringe contenders regardless. If you want to claim that the Briggs's and the Biggs's are better wins than Wlad and Wilder, who feasted on that level of opponent, then it's pointless even debating.

 

The only one worshipping a fighter is you. Fury ain't all that. He is by far the most inactive HW champ in the last 50 years. I know he had mental issues, covid. Yeah right. Ducked the rematch with Wlad, his best win since becoming champ is Wilder. Terrible! You can put hot sauce and gravey on a piece of **** it still doesn't change the fact it's a piece of ****.

 

I personally believe Fury to be an atg talent but the resume is a little thin. Fortunately that can be erased this year with a good depth opponent in Whyte, and more importantly the AJ/Usyk winner late in the year.

 

Fury ended the historically long reign of the best of the previous era and the historically long reign of a top 3 man in this era, fought them four times, all on the road while remaining undefeated, with two of the performances being unambiguously great. And those fighters were the two most devastating punchers of all time, both highly athletic and 6'5+, not 5'10, 205 lbs and visually impaired and not 6'3, 215 lbs and regarded as a cumbersome giant. We may as well be talking about different sports.

Claiming that Fury's record is "terrible" only proves that you are a dishonest hater who isn't worth responding to. As I've said a million times, you can't accurately compare the records of fighters from distant eras, or fighters from different weight classes, which is what modern HW effectively is.

 

Fury beats them all.

 

Depends how high you rate McDermott.

 

Or any of the numerous bums that beat all the other ATGs.

 

Nah. Not a hater at all. Fury has not fought anyone for me to consider him an ATG. You're up here trying to act like Wlad was in his prime, that Wilder was highly skilled. You are far more a sack sucker than I am a hater. Seriously, Fury and Wilders resumes are truey terrible. If I'm wrong, name 5 other ATG's whose best wins are equal too or worse than Fury's 2 best(40 year old Wlad, No skilled Wilder) this is a 2nd request.

Your logic that the guys today are bigger, so a win over a C level fighter today is equivalent to an A+ fighter from the good ol days just doesn't pan out. You're actually comparing Fury and Wilder to Ali? Goddamn!

 

List em for me by all means. A guy that holds or takes a strap is not a bum btw.