Fury vs. Usyk is OFF, says Usyk's manager

Komaster · Mar 23, 2023

this whole thing is crazy.

Mister Pugilist · Mar 23, 2023

With all the pressure he is getting. They got until April 1st

Komaster · Mar 23, 2023

Serge said: ↑

Belly's reputation is in tatters and his credibility is shot to bits. You only have to take a gander at social media and read the YT comments to see it how badly he's getting roasted and how he's hemorrhaging fans by the thousands every day if not hour or minute.

He's already lost god knows how many in his own country, let alone the rest of the world. Those still inexplicably defending him are in a tiny minority and the vast majority of them are casuals - football yobbo types and trolls. The remainder are his utterly obsessed weirdo super fans who are clearly suffering from some kind of acute mental illness and deep down, as painful as it is for them to admit to themselves and their psychiatrists, they know he's a ducking coward fraud, that he never wanted this fight, and that his reputation is in complete tatters.

Frank Warren

“The terms of the deal are really simple, it will be a 50/50 split, but it's where we can generate the most income to make it work. It's an easier fight to make instead of Joshua because there are no rival promoters involved. Usyk's people are free agents and that's not a problem.”

Aside from this being very bigoted, it's also very strange behaviour from a professional fighter. Openly admitting years in advance you have zero interest in facing someone before they've even won a world title in your division and that you still categorically don't want anything to do with them if even if they win all three belts off the second biggest star in world boxing and by far the biggest in your country.

Funny because he didn't have a problem facing foreigners Tom Schwarz, Wallin, Pianeta, Sefari, Wlad, and Hammer in his previous seven fights prior to making that statement. He fought Schwarz and Wallin in the US for goodness sake and no one had a clue who either were over there or anywhere else

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Imagine holding one belt to your far more decorated and accomplished opponent's three

Weighing 50-60lbs more than them, having 7'' reach and 6'' height advantages over them

Having home advantage where you will be afforded free licence to cheat as much as you want

Where there's a good chance the judges will score the fight in your favour even if you get your ass whooped, and definitely will even if it's remotely close

Where there's a good chance the ref will wave it off with a premature stoppage in your favour

Where if you're badly hurt and on the verge of stoppage the round will end mysteriously early ala Dubois vs Lerana on a Big Frank card just four months or so ago

And the chance of any of the above happening to you is virtually zero

And having a completely unfair and highly disrespectful and insulting 70-0 split in your favour

But you still can't get the fight made?! WTF?!

The deck literally couldn't be stacked anymore in his favour and Usyk bent the knee and went far and above what any other champ, let alone a three-belt unified one, former undisputed at the weight below, current P4P#1 would of to try and make it happen.

Usyk literally bent over backwards to make the fight happen, Belly bent over backwards to ensure it never did, being incredibly greedy, unreasonable, disrespectful and just a repugnant POS from the outset.

He wanted Usyk to bow to his every demand and make all the concessions while he made none himself. If he genuinely wanted the fight it would've been made ages ago.

People actually expect Usyk to have zero self-respect and to bend over and let Belly violate him and treat him with the utmost disrespect every step of the way when he has more than paid his dues, has done everything he possibly could to raise his profile over here, in addition to him already having won his Olympic gold and beating Joyce in the WSB, four of his last five fights were on PPV over here all of which against British fighters, three on British soil, and he's coming off the back of a brace of huge wins over Great Britain's most popular fighter and who was the sport's second biggest star behind Clenelo.

Again, Usyk has more than paid his dues

Olympic gold
World Amateur gold
European gold
Undisputed CW champion
Three-belt unified HW champion
P4P#1
Ring Magazine champion at CW and HW
Ring Magazine Fighter of the Year (2018)
ESPN Fighter of the Year (2018)
Sports Illustrated Fighter of the Year (2018)
CBS Fighter of the Year (2018)
Boxing Writers Association of America Fighter of the Year (2018)
Boxing News Fighter of the Year (2018)
Four of his last five fights on PPV in GB
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Fury is a hypocrite and a shister - but what do you think of the (let's say it's all true) usyk rematch controversy and opting out of the fight because of not getting 70-30. Should he have taken 50-50. Let's say it's a SD win in a great fight to Usyk. Is it fair to have usyk getting 70% of the rematch in the UK...realistically?

Pierre_Coetzer · Mar 23, 2023

Komaster said: ↑

Fury is a hypocrite and a shister - but what do you think of the (let's say it's all true) usyk rematch controversy and opting out of the fight because of not getting 70-30. Should he have taken 50-50. Let's say it's a SD win in a great fight to Usyk. Is it fair to have usyk getting 70% of the rematch in the UK...realistically?
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Fair point.... But think Usyk was tired of being shafted... And wanted to limit bending over backwards for one fight.... Also no guarantee 2nd fight would be in UK... If Usyk beats Fury in 1st fight his stock would go up significantly and would be a bigger draw card in middle east or Germany....

Komaster · Mar 23, 2023

no he'll truly convince himself usyk pussied out
that's the mental health thing. it's like a skizo basically

Pierre_Coetzer · Mar 23, 2023

If it happens it is a publicity stunt....

Furious · Mar 23, 2023

I think it’s too late in the day now.. but it’s possible in theory.

I reckon Fury has totally underestimated how well thought of Usyk is, including within the UK.

He has that Roger Federer-esque style of being incredibly talented but humble and gentlemanly. British sports fans like that style. Add in the macro factor of the Ukraine war and you’ve got someone, who despite the language barrier, is very easy to warm to.

People won’t buy all the ‘dosser’ type rants like they did with Wilder because Usyk is legitimately a good guy who’s made it clear he’ll take on huge challenges.

Pierre_Coetzer · Mar 23, 2023

Mister Pugilist said: ↑

With all the pressure he is getting. They got until April 1st
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Furious said: ↑

I think it’s too late in the day now.. but it’s possible in theory.

I reckon Fury has totally underestimated how well thought of Usyk is, including within the UK.

He has that Roger Federer-esque style of being incredibly talented but humble and gentlemanly. British sports fans like that style. Add in the macro factor of the Ukraine war and you’ve got someone, who despite the language barrier, is very easy to warm to.

People won’t buy all the ‘dosser’ type rants like they did with Wilder because Usyk is legitimately a good guy who’s made it clear he’ll take on huge challenges.
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Agree.... And as many UK fans as he has he has always been polarizing.... And Joshua the darling of Uk heavyweight boxing....

Dubblechin · Mar 23, 2023

Furious said: ↑

I think it’s too late in the day now.. but it’s possible in theory.

I reckon Fury has totally underestimated how well thought of Usyk is, including within the UK.

He has that Roger Federer-esque style of being incredibly talented but humble and gentlemanly. British sports fans like that style. Add in the macro factor of the Ukraine war and you’ve got someone, who despite the language barrier, is very easy to warm to.

People won’t buy all the ‘dosser’ type rants like they did with Wilder because Usyk is legitimately a good guy who’s made it clear he’ll take on huge challenges.
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I don't think he got the memo.

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senpai · Mar 23, 2023

Fury will "retire" now, but won't vacate his belt

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Pierre_Coetzer · Mar 23, 2023

That Fury tweet says more about Fury than Usyk....quite tasteless

Overseas · Mar 23, 2023

Not a fair point at all. Why split decision? Let's say that Usyk knocked out Fury in round 1. Is it fair that Usyk gets 50-50 in the rematch? This would be the lineal undisputed, unified heavyweight and cruiserweight champion with 0 losses, against a beltless guy who would have been utterly exposed as having 2 names on his resume. I'd argue that Fury wouldn't be a draw AT ALL if he lost to Usyk. Usyk was a beltlesss mandatory challenger against AJ AND AJ is a significantly larger draw than Fury. Fury has done horrendously in his latest ppvs and Usyk's last 3 have all cracked a million. He is a legitimate draw in his own right. Just as a thought experiment, if Fury was the one chasing undisputed, you guys would 100% be saying Usyk was ducking.

DoubleJab666 · Mar 23, 2023

Serge said: ↑

Belly's reputation is in tatters and his credibility is shot to bits. You only have to take a gander at social media and read the YT comments to see it how badly he's getting roasted and how he's hemorrhaging fans by the thousands every day if not hour or minute.

He's already lost god knows how many in his own country, let alone the rest of the world. Those still inexplicably defending him are in a tiny minority and the vast majority of them are casuals - football yobbo types and trolls. The remainder are his utterly obsessed weirdo super fans who are clearly suffering from some kind of acute mental illness and deep down, as painful as it is for them to admit to themselves and their psychiatrists, they know he's a ducking coward fraud, that he never wanted this fight, and that his reputation is in complete tatters.

Frank Warren

“The terms of the deal are really simple, it will be a 50/50 split, but it's where we can generate the most income to make it work. It's an easier fight to make instead of Joshua because there are no rival promoters involved. Usyk's people are free agents and that's not a problem.”

Aside from this being very bigoted, it's also very strange behaviour from a professional fighter. Openly admitting years in advance you have zero interest in facing someone before they've even won a world title in your division and that you still categorically don't want anything to do with them if even if they win all three belts off the second biggest star in world boxing and by far the biggest in your country.

Funny because he didn't have a problem facing foreigners Tom Schwarz, Wallin, Pianeta, Sefari, Wlad, and Hammer in his previous seven fights prior to making that statement. He fought Schwarz and Wallin in the US for goodness sake and no one had a clue who either were over there or anywhere else

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Imagine holding one belt to your far more decorated and accomplished opponent's three

Weighing 50-60lbs more than them, having 7'' reach and 6'' height advantages over them

Having home advantage where you will be afforded free licence to cheat as much as you want

Where there's a good chance the judges will score the fight in your favour even if you get your ass whooped, and definitely will even if it's remotely close

Where there's a good chance the ref will wave it off with a premature stoppage in your favour

Where if you're badly hurt and on the verge of stoppage the round will end mysteriously early ala Dubois vs Lerana on a Big Frank card just four months or so ago

And the chance of any of the above happening to you is virtually zero

And having a completely unfair and highly disrespectful and insulting 70-0 split in your favour

But you still can't get the fight made?! WTF?!

The deck literally couldn't be stacked anymore in his favour and Usyk bent the knee and went far and above what any other champ, let alone a three-belt unified one, former undisputed at the weight below, current P4P#1 would of to try and make it happen.

Usyk literally bent over backwards to make the fight happen, Belly bent over backwards to ensure it never did, being incredibly greedy, unreasonable, disrespectful and just a repugnant POS from the outset.

He wanted Usyk to bow to his every demand and make all the concessions while he made none himself. If he genuinely wanted the fight it would've been made ages ago.

People actually expect Usyk to have zero self-respect and to bend over and let Belly violate him and treat him with the utmost disrespect every step of the way when he has more than paid his dues, has done everything he possibly could to raise his profile over here, in addition to him already having won his Olympic gold and beating Joyce in the WSB, four of his last five fights were on PPV over here all of which against British fighters, three on British soil, and he's coming off the back of a brace of huge wins over Great Britain's most popular fighter and who was the sport's second biggest star behind Clenelo.

Again, Usyk has more than paid his dues

Olympic gold
World Amateur gold
European gold
Undisputed CW champion
Three-belt unified HW champion
P4P#1
Ring Magazine champion at CW and HW
Ring Magazine Fighter of the Year (2018)
ESPN Fighter of the Year (2018)
Sports Illustrated Fighter of the Year (2018)
CBS Fighter of the Year (2018)
Boxing Writers Association of America Fighter of the Year (2018)
Boxing News Fighter of the Year (2018)
Four of his last five fights on PPV in GB
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The poll currently stands a 6-123, which, oddly enough, is the percentage split of the purse Fury would accept to fight...

Pierre_Coetzer · Mar 23, 2023

Yeah.... Only thing that can save Furys reputation is if it is a publicity stunt.... And losing all hope in that also...

Time for Arum, Fury and Warren to sail into the sunset of retirement....

Serge · Mar 23, 2023

Komaster said: ↑

Fury is a hypocrite and a shister - but what do you think of the (let's say it's all true) usyk rematch controversy and opting out of the fight because of not getting 70-30. Should he have taken 50-50. Let's say it's a SD win in a great fight to Usyk. Is it fair to have usyk getting 70% of the rematch in the UK...realistically?
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Perfectly acceptable after the amount of disrespect he was treated with from the outset and all the concessions he made to make it happen. Belly wanted him to bow to his every demand, accept a purse that was 3-4 lower than his previous one, and he wasn't prepared to make a single concession that put himelf at the slightest disadvantage. I'll be surprised if Belly can even fill out Wembley Arena now given how many fans he's lost due to his greed, cowardice and unreasonableness.

As said, Usyk has more than paid his dues, holds three belts to his one, is a former undisputed CW champion, the current P4P#1, and he's fought four of his last five fights against British opponents on PPV, and he's very popular and well liked over here.

When you enter into a business deal in good faith you afford the other party a basic level of respect, Belly never treated Usyk with any at all and I mean in terms of negotiations. It's absolutely insane people expect Usyk just to bend over and bow to his every demand and be treated like a stray dog given all his accomplishments, all the hardware he brings to the table, and the huge sacrifices, concessions and financial concessions he's had to make not just during negotiations for this fight but throughout his career to get himself into this position. When I say 99.9% of other champions in Usyk's posistion would've walked away from negotiations long ago it's not an exaggeration.

If Belly really wanted this fight he would've agreed to a 50/50 split from the get-go. The split Belly's own promoter said was fair and that it would be at the outset. Even a 60-40 split to the winner was very fare. But to then demand 70/30 was disgraceful and what makes it even more so is he tried to low-ball Usyk at a time when the later's country is at war and he knows damn well Usyk is going to be donating a big lump of his purse to his countrymen victims of the war and the more he earned the more he would be donating to them. Usyk is virtually impossible to dislike as it is and you could see that even many of Belly's fellow countrymen within the industry are disgusted at his treatment of Usyk but low-balling him at this present time just makes it that much more unpalatable and despicable.

What people are conveniently overlooking is that a 60-40 or 70-30 split for the winner already weighs heavily in Fury's favour because of how heavily the deck is stacked in his favour. It's not like Usyk wants a larger split for the winner in Ukraine where the deck will be stacked heavily in his favour and the chances of Belly getting robbed are much higher than they are at home. Usyk still has a mountain to climb to win the fight and secure that larger split, Belly just has to make it to the finish line and not get thrashed. The chances of Usyk getting robbed by the judges are very high as are the chances of him being on the receiving end of a premature stoppage if he gets hurt and the ref saving Belly's bacon if Usyk hurts him. The chances of the reverse happening are almost nonexistent and then factor in all the huge physical advantages Belly holds over him too.

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