Fury vs. Usyk is OFF, says Usyk's manager

Usyk had no obligation to accept the same split in the rematch just because he did v AJ. The heck kinda logic is that??

 

Intimidated by Usyk’s personality and reputation. Intimidated by what Joshua did to him in sparring years prior. Are my guesses.

Fury is insecure. Perfect example is the self-destructive path he took when he tested positive after Klitschko. In his mind his life was over, alcohol, drugs and contemplating suicide. Most fighter’s take the positive test on the chin and keep moving.

 

he's also bi polar so does things in a manic state, and probably obsesses about tiny deatails like splits, name calling and bravado instead of being able to take a breath and a step back and be normal

 

Usyk was not a belt holder when he challenged Joshua! Usyk currently holds more Heavyweight belts than Fury. Two different scenarios. This fight should be 50/50 or 60/40 at worst.

 

That's really funny that Usyk has been reading Fury's books for insights into how his mind works.

 

Doesnt have those problems when the opponent is a soft touch.

 

yeah doesnt seem to trigger it

 

Fury is an egomaniac who kept low balling Usyk, he`s delusional.

 

Just give Usyk fury's belt and crown as the undisputed.

One minute he's a devout christian, the next minute he's calling one of the noblest guys in the sport an ugly gap toothed ******* while ducking him.

 

The thing is, everyone Fury has been in the ring with, he's been better at the craft of boxing than the opponent. Usyk is a better boxer than him, Usyk has a style that could spoil his boxing. I'd favor Fury slightly still because he's bigger and still good at what he does, but I don't think Usyk winning would be an upset.

 

That was a good interview.

It pretty much confirms the fight was dead the moment the Saudis pulled out. And confirms there isn't the money in the UK for a big fight with both boxers splitting 50-50. UK fans just won't pay what US fans will for PPVs.

Krassyuk seems like a really good guy. Someone you'd totally want to hang out with.

However .... is Krassyuk a good negotiator?

Promoters who worked with him say he's "really easy" to work with because ... Krassyuk essentially just lets the other promoters do what they want and accepts what they give him.

The Huck, Briedis and Gassiev fights were all part of the Super Series ... Krassyuk wasn't working the phones trying to track those guys down and he wasn't trying to negotiate with the sanctioning bodies and other managers to allow unifications to take place. They signed up for the tournament, took the money the winners were allotted, fought who they were told to fight. And it worked out fine. But Usyk could've just agreed to everything already set in stone on his own.

And Eddie Hearn and Matchroom made the Bellew, Chazz, Chisora and Joshua fights. And Krassyuk accepted all the percentages Hearn offered him.

When Joshua offered him 80-20, which was NOT what a mandatory should get, Krassyuk took it. In this video, he says 80-20 is normal. 75-25 is a normal purse split for a mandatory in the WBO, but Usyk could've gotten a better split from the org if they tried (given his title history).

But Krassyuk not only didn't try, they took "less." (He's like George Costanza on Seinfeld negotiating with NBC. )

When Hearn wanted to include a rematch clause, Krassyuk accepted. (Even though mandatories don't have to accept rematch clauses.)

Of course he was easy to work with if you just accept all the offers someone makes.

Krassyuk even admits Fury's team was trying to negotiate with the Saudis (he wasn't) and when those negotiatons broke down (why wasn't Krassyuk involved?) the fight was moved to the UK and was booked by Fury's team, not Krassyuk.

Honestly, what is Krassyuk doing? Being a promoter and manager isn't just sitting around letting everyone else do the work. He's like a buddy of Usyk's who is a great guy but is just going along for the ride.

This fight with Fury was the first time in years (maybe ever) when Krassyuk actually had to sit down and negotiate a big fight with a rival promoter who had his own client's needs first ... and it turned out disastrously.

Now, Krassyuk is just saying, "Well, we'll fight our mandatory Dubois. Or we'll fight our other mandatory." And the percentages for mandatories are set by the orgs. So he's just retreating back to following the guidelines set by someone else.

There doesn't seem to be much creativity or negotiating prowess going on with this guy.

Very much the mentality of a person most comfortable taking and following orders.

Isn't he going to have to negotiate with Warren again for a Dubois fight? How is that going to go? Will he allow Warren to change the mandatory percentages like he allowed Hearn to do?

I'll guess we'll see down the road if he's someone who has the creativity to put big fights together, or if he's just a follower.

But, to date, he's kinda just been a follower who dropped the ball the first time he had a really major contract to negotiate.

If there isn't a "rule" to follow, or someone isn't telling him the opponent, the date, the venue and the price, he doesn't appear to be someone who can put the whole thing together on his own.

 

Fury showing his class here, or total lack of it.

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He's always had more mouth than a cow's got Tuesday, but this is low even for him.

 

On the Joshua 80-20, I too found it really suspicious that they took less than what was in the WBO rules. But in a different interview Krassyuk (I think yesterday) let slip that Hearn sweetened the pot behind the scenes so they were happy with the rematch etc etc. He seemed to catch himself and moved on quickly.

Also it is widely reported that Usyk's side agreed their deal with the Saudi's. The impression the Saudi negotiator gave in interview was Fury's side had promised too many people too many things. I think the obvious inference was network rights were an issue. I.e. they were not willing to pay the big purses and give up the tv rights

 

Right. I mean, it's nice to say 50-50 for a Joshua rematch is good because we thought we'd win.

But, the common logic before Eddie Hearn came along was if you're the mandatory, you accept 75-25 but you try to make it more like 70-30 or 60-40, and there's no rematch clause.

So, when you win, YOU'RE the champ and you can fight anyone you like and set your price.

You don't take less (80-20) and ALSO take away your leverage for a rematch.

This guy is lucky his fighter is talented, because Krassyuk "kinda sucks" at this negotiating the best paydays for his fighter thing.