Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Rumsfeld, Mar 13, 2023.
For better or worse, my 2 cents for those interested.
Yeah I pretty much agree, fury closes strong to win it clear.
I disagree vehemently. I think Usyk stops him late.
My previously stated thoughts on this match.... Usyk KO's Fury in 9. It'll look like a F5 tornado ripping through a trailer park. Usyk feasts on taller guys, and that drug addled tub of whale**** known as Tyson Luke Fury will be his biggest meal. Fury has always had issues with southpaws, he was a sitting duck for that looping left from Otto, and he's about as fast on his feet as Old Man Ortiz, yet he was backing him up throughout the first 6 rounds of their fight, Tyson only started having success against him when Otto gassed, which will not happen with Usyk. Then for the people who naively think Usyk can't hurt him, Tyson has been rocked to his core by glass jawed Abell at least twice before he stopped him, alongside all of the smaller guys that have dropped him or hurt him like Cunningham, McDermott, Pajkic and Chisora, the first three are 6'3, like Usyk, Chisora is 6'2. Let's also not forget Wallin, who got his second wind, had Fury out on his feet in the 12th. Then add in Usyk's incredible stamina, so he won't be easy to catch and wail on like Otto in the second half of their fight. Usyk's going to be ducking under his looping hooks all night, getting in his grill and working Fury's blobby ass over like a speedbag. Fighting skill less dossers for the last decade has greatly flattered Fury. Literally 8, arguably 9 out of Usyk's last 10 opponents, are better boxers than everyone Fury has faced in the last 5 years..
It's actually kind of sickening how brainwashed to the point of denial all the Fury fanboys are. Yeah, yeah, yeah, people like to pick against and root against Fury, myself included, duly noted. You're not gonna get me with any of your asinine attacks. Because it will not change the fact that Wilder, even according to most Fury fanboys in the lead up to all three fights, in their words, is a talentless hack and a dosser, whatever the **** that is. Then any time Whyte's name was brought up, people laughed maniacally at the thought he had a chance, because as I've been saying for years myself, Whyte is a bum. Then, let us not forget, of his 4 previous matches, Wlad was coming off of two of the assiest performances he'd given, against Povetkin and Jennings, which were borderline painful to watch. So... tell me, if Wilder and Whyte are both bums, by your own admission, why should Fury get all this credit for his wins over them? Okay, fine... the Klitschko win was decent, albeit it was against an old Wlad, who's been apprehensive to go on the attack since 2005, that supposedly Usyk dominated in sparring. But aside from that... who exactly has he shared the ring with has 1/10th the skillset Usyk possesses? Two hacky plodders and an old man can't hold a candle to the speed, the timing, the accuracy, the footwork, the angles, the combinations, the gas tank, the absolute brilliance of Usyk, who also happens to be a southpaw, who tend to be an issue for Fury.
When I said it's going to look like a tornado ravaging a trailer park, I'm not kidding. Usyk will not only beatdown this mentally fragile cokehead, he's going to ragdoll him.There's a reason why the Gypsy Queen is so concerned with defense, because any time anyone grazes those tragically frail whiskers of his, he gets stunned or goes down like a sack of potatoes. I'll give Tyson this, the man has solid powers of recovery, because most of the time, his bummy opponents can only land on him once. That isn't going to be a problem for Usyk. He'll double the connect percentages of Wilder, Whyte and Wlad combined. Consider the Wallin fight, which he barely survived, a harbinger of things to come, Wallin came within a round or two of pulling the upset. Usyk is 10 times the fighter Wallin is. Fury's reflexes have diminished, his footwork a shell of what it once was, his speed has always been overrated, and his power still the same as it was before, the man couldn't even drop Chisora the third time they fought. Wilder is just fragile and flattered him greatly. This isn't the Tyson Fury of the Wlad fight, that Fury doesn't exist anymore..... this is the Fury of Fury-Chisora II. The when you add in the damage from the Wilder fights, a concussion bad enough that he can't even remember most of the fight. There's a reason why he's terrified of Usyk and stalled the fight as long as he could. He's a smart fighter, and he knows Usyk is better in every single way, and his day of reckoning is close at hand. Usyk will embarrass, emasculate and extirpate his 0 in a shockingly one sided domination. Usyk is going to walk down and batter him into submission. Usyk KO9.
Thanks Rummy. Love your videos. But I think Usyk wins on points with a opportunity to stop the Yeti In the late rounds when the Yeti runs out of steam.
Love Usyk Rum but I think you covered all angles very well as will Fury on the night , you're correct in saying about Tysons adaptability it's his secondary most potent weapon after the sheer size advantage . Fury stoppage around 8-9 IMHO.
Usyk has never even been hurt significantly as a professional, even though fighting against much bigger punchers than Fury (Kronk style or not). He took the best Gassiev or Joshua could offer without any problems. On the other hand, Fury had to throw 150 power punches and needed 11 rounds to stop a zero head movement, basically walking punching bag Wilder. He will never stop Usyk, that much is sure.
And speaking of Fury changing his style: he is 10 years older, slower, heavier, less fit than he was against Cunningham. If a Cunningham, who is not a poor man's but a homeless man's Usyk, can cause trouble to a much younger, lighter, fitter, quicker Fury, Usyk will give him hell. One thing that everybody seems to forget: while Usyk is very much used to fighting bigger guys (Joshua, Joyce, Modugno, Fa, sparring with Wlad, Dychko, Steve Robinson etc.), Fury has never fought anyone remotely similar to Cunningham. There is simply no evidence that he could fare better today, all these years later against a fighter like that, especially since Usyk is ten times the fighter Cunningham ever was. And the last southpaw Fury fought arguably TKOd him a few years ago. Usyk is simply all wrong for Fury as he is like a combination of the best attributes of Cunningham and Wallin, times ten. He is all wrong for Fury in terms of stylistic matchup. This current version of Fury is efficient against plodders with poor balance and movement - but Usyk is special and will make him look like Bambi on ice. The gas tank of Usyk is also something Fury has never experienced. And between his ballooning up to 400 lbs in his late twenties then dropping back to around 270-280 lbs (which is still 25-30 lbs over his ideal weight for the athletic form that would be his best bet against Usyk), complete with his binge eating sessions of burgers and boozing and snorting the gak for much of his adult life, his overall constitution is much worse than that of Usyk who has always been the consummate professional. He simply can't match Usyk in terms of fitness, he won't be able to chase him around for 12 rounds. His best bet is to try to be physical, like you mentioned, and go for a quick KO - but that won't work either because Usyk has a granite chin and his movement is simply too much for Fury.
My prediction: Usyk wins by wide UD (116-112 or 117-111, provided no corruption will be involved in the scoring).
I just feel that Fury can negate all Usyks positive work by spoiling it if nesessary. Hes too big, too long and too boxing clever. I'm not even convinced Usyk can hurt Fury at all, so for Usyk to win on points, away from home, is the uphill task at hand at this point.
If Usyk pulls it off, hes the greatest of his generation and arguably more. The same, although not to the same extent, can be said for Fury, as the credit will be (rightfully imo) slighlty dimished due to the disparity in size between the two.
I got Fury on points, likely with controversy along the way. People saying either fighter is "scared" is just silly.
I’ve got Usyk winning on points but not getting his hand raised. Could well end up being a stinker this fight. I really like usyks unorthodox style, he doesn’t follow any pattern which will work in his favour but I’m worried fury can make this fight look like klitschko vs povetkin all over again.
Thx for sharing! Always a pleasure to hear an unbiased take on things.
Thanks Rumsfeld.... Always enjoy your content...
I never understood the narrative that Fury has an amazing gas tank.
Fury throws 200-300 punches a fight and whenever he throws morre, he clearly gasses out.
Look at the third Wilder fight, Fury threw more than he usually does and he was absolutely knackered by round 8-9, its just that Wilder has one of the worst engines in HW division which made Furys fatigue less apparent.
If it was Usyk in there instead of Wilder, Fury would have been made to look a fool and been stopped between 10-12.
I feel Fury is past his best and the 3 years of abusing his body have cut his prime short. It will be a cagey fight for 5-6 rounds with Fury having lots of success then Usyk will start to take over and the diminishing Fury will always be one step behind
According to Compubox, Fury threw 651 punches against Wallin and only picked up his volume in the 2nd half of the fight when he was going for a stoppage. From 7-11, Fury was throwing 60-84 punches per round.
Usyk threw 674 against Chisora (who Fury threw 800+ against back in the day) and Chisora is easier to hit than Wallin.
Wlad said that he was "amazed" how fast Fury was in the 2nd half of their fight. In other words, he expected Fury to gas out with the extreme amount of movement he utilised from the opening bell, as well as the number of punches he threw relative to Wlad. It never happened. Wlad's engine was also not the problem: he threw 314 more punches (545 vs 231) or 236% more against long-armed mover Jennings than he did against Fury.
Wilder was never regarded as having a poor engine prior to Fury 2. In fact, in the hypothetical Wilder-Joshua matchup back in 2018, it was generally agreed that one of Wilder's primary advantages over Joshua was his superior stamina. The same Joshua who went 12 rounds with Usyk both times, was never knocked down and won 4 and 5 rounds officially in the two fights respectively.
Usyk didn't stop Glowacki, Hunter, Briedis, Gassiev, Chisora or Joshua x2. All of them are probably easier to stop than Fury, several of them certainly are. Who did Ruiz ever stop prior to knocking Joshua down four times and making him quit in 7? Usyk and his team know that he can't stop Fury, his gameplan will be entirely based on nicking 7 of the 12 rounds.
Usyk brutally schools fury. Fury will look worse than aj. People forget aj has pretty fast hands, way faster than fury, and he couldn't really catch usyk