Fury walked away from 50-50 split with Wilder, Arum wants Wilder to sign 5-fight deal with him

LANCE99 · Feb 22, 2019

sauhund II said: ↑

The Arum apologists are already coming out in full force........same game, different players........he put Foreman on the bum tour and got him 3 title fights , lost two until he got lucky and rather got stripped off the belts before he would defend it against anyone with a pulse.....remember, Mike Tyson was dead afraid of Grandpa Foreman according to the Top rank boot lickers while Foreman not in a million years would face him......

Mayweather was always ducking, being afraid , scared , chicken etc etc to face Pac according to Arum who claimed Mayweather would not sign...............same thing here, Wilder is a bum, coward and should take any peanuts Arum offers him because he is no good.........the reason why Arum never let Pac near Mayweather is becuase he knew the money train would stop instantly aka 118-110........same with Fury, if Wilder puts him to sleep there aint no 80 mil deal, bank on it so it has to be milked until it cannot get milked anymore.

Fury has never been hit like that before and I bet my bottom dollar he aint too exited to get into the Ring with Wilder anytime soon.

When Lewis needed a rematch after the phoney draw against Holyfield they did not hide behind promotors or networks ......they fought immediately . Fact.
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STFU... no one is apologizing for Arum here.

Puroresu_Fan · Feb 22, 2019

Red Hulk40 said: ↑

Why is ESPN gonna pay Fury 20 million a fight? like you said he might lose, Fury has no belt, he is unpredictable , no fan base in USA and who exactly will he be fighting ? It all sounds as fishy as Frankie Warren's eyes , 100 million deal come on?
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It won't be £20 mil per fights. Sliding scale depending on the opponent

jaytxxl · Feb 22, 2019

GALVATRON said: ↑

Arums history in the matter is working with other promoters.

The history is Haymon is difficult and Finkel...

The Wilder nutso's on here can spin it all you like ,Wilder is a dope and so is anyone that keeps making excuses for him. Are you a dope ? IDK ,probably because you bringing nothing to do with nothing on the topic.

I even posted a video of Arum explaining this and you still have the time to post an idiotic post but not read or watch whats going on ? I know you couldn't possibly read my post ,otherwise you couldn't have replied to me because all those points were addressed but you did anyway ? lmao
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I already see what side you on.. Facts is they were in negotiations for a rematch and even had the WBC push the purse bid back twice while saying they were close to finalizing the fight.. and then out of the blue sign with ESPN.. Then he contradicts himself by saying he doesn’t care for boxing politics after getting involved in boxing politics.. Mind you Arum isnt pushing for and immediate rematch.. And they said the purse bid doesn’t matter any more implying that if they lose the purse bid then they won’t fight on Showtime or Fox.. whatever boxing politics complicates another fight and we as fans lose in these battles of the suits..

Puroresu_Fan · Feb 22, 2019

Fury had a contract?

I thought team Wilder didn't send contracts as they are not necessary to agree a fight.

NoNeck · Feb 22, 2019

Fury was alluding to not wanting a rematch months ago, the reason being that he got punched too hard.

greenhornet · Feb 22, 2019

Red Hulk40 said: ↑

Why is ESPN gonna pay Fury 20 million a fight? like you said he might lose, Fury has no belt, he is unpredictable , no fan base in USA and who exactly will he be fighting ? It all sounds as fishy as Frankie Warren's eyes , 100 million deal come on?
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espn is gonna lose their ass on that contract.

greenhornet · Feb 22, 2019

NoNeck said: ↑

Fury was alluding to not wanting a rematch months ago, the reason being that he got punched too hard.
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he has avoided punchers at all costs. only faced them if there was a title on the line.

Gil Gonzalez · Feb 22, 2019

It’s still a negotiation. It’s not like AJ and Hearn who panick and deny there is even an offer.

POTUS · Feb 22, 2019

Dubblechin said: ↑

Bob Arum has basically killed the Wilder-Fury rematch.

Arum wants Wilder to sign a five-fight deal with Top Rank. And, even if Wilder did sign, Arum wants Fury and Wilder to fight a NUMBER of other people first before their rematch.

Thanks for jumping in at the last minute to ruin everything, BOB.

What a jerk.

Apparently, Fury wasn't as interested in fighting Wilder again so quickly as he led on.

Here's a summary of Keith Idec's report on the scene which spells it out.

Idec says Fury walked away from a 50-50 split to fight Wilder in a Showtime Pay-Per-View main event May 18 at Barclays Center in Brooklyn. Fury had that 50-50 contract in his hands for more than a week, but never returned it.

As it turned out, his promoter, Frank Warren, was working with Bob Arum’s Top Rank Inc. on a co-promotional agreement and negotiating with Al Haymon, Wilder’s adviser, and Showtime’s Stephen Espinoza at the same time. Fury, Warren, Arum and ESPN stunned virtually everyone in boxing by announcing their new deal early Monday morning.

Two days later, in a Wednesday interview with The Ring’s Mike Coppinger, the entertaining Englishman definitely didn’t come across as someone who wants Wilder next.

“I’m not too sure,” Fury said. “I’m not a political person. The promoters do what promoters do. … There’s not much I can do about it, is there? … I signed a contract now. Whatever fights they get, they get.”

Arum told news outlets this week that Top Rank wants Wilder-Fury next. What the Hall-of-Fame promoter didn’t mention is that the accompanying contract his company offered Wilder on Wednesday is for five fights.

The first fight of that proposed deal for Wilder would require him to fight someone other than Fury on ESPN+, the streaming service Arum’s company is helping ESPN push.

Wilder would be paid handsomely to fight an undetermined opponent next on ESPN+ because Top Rank’s budget for fights on ESPN+ is bigger than its budget for fights on ESPN.

A Wilder-Fury rematch is part of that five-fight offer, yet that deal could require Wilder (40-0-1, 39 KOs) to take multiple fights before facing Fury (27-0-1, 19 KOs) a second time in an ESPN Pay-Per-View main event.

While Wilder did make it known Monday that he isn’t contractually tied to Showtime or any other network, he also appreciates all that Showtime has done to build his brand and his bank account in recent years. Furthermore, Haymon has a three-year deal with Showtime to provide Premier Boxing Champions content for that premium cable network and no active fighter in his huge stable has consistently drawn greater viewership for Showtime than the hard-hitting WBC heavyweight champion.

And as much as Arum claims Wilder, Haymon and co-managers Shelly Finkel and Jay Deas need the promotional muscle the vast reach of ESPN can provide, that wouldn’t necessarily require Wilder to sign with Top Rank, either. ESPN promoted the first Wilder-Fury fight on all of its platforms – everything from SportsCenter to “First Take,” with Max Kellerman and Stephen A. Smith – throughout the week that led up to their dubious draw December 1 at Staples Center in Los Angeles.

ESPN, as the most prominent sports network in the United States, is going to cover and promote Wilder-Fury II whether it’s distributed by Showtime, ESPN or both.

“[Wilder-Fury II] has to happen and it has to happen on the terms that make sense for us, for the fighters, for ESPN,” Arum said Monday.

Wilder’s back-and-forth fight with Luis Ortiz peaked at 1.3 million viewers on Showtime last March 3 from Barclays Center. Showtime, which has roughly 27 million subscribers, is capable when it comes to an intriguing fighter like Wilder, of drawing better ratings for boxing than ESPN.

The highest peak audience any of Top Rank’s three shows on ESPN in 2019 was 1.02 million viewers February 2. Top Rank’s most recent ESPN telecast, headlined by Jose Ramirez and Jose Zepeda on February 10, averaged 655,000 viewers.

Idec said a Wilder fight on ESPN clearly would draw better viewership than what’s mentioned above. But there’s no way to quantify just how many of the approximate three million subscribers of ESPN+ would watch him fight on that streaming service because ESPN doesn’t release those figures.

What Arum also ignores is that Showtime is owned by CBS – literally the most-watched network on American television. CBS could promote Wilder-Fury II on a network available in approximately 118 million American homes, roughly 32 million more than ESPN. While contractually partnering with Top Rank and ESPN certainly could help the Wilder-Fury rematch do bigger business, it’s not the only way to significantly out-do the reported 325,000 pay-per-view buys their first fight produced.

Idec says maybe Fury is content fighting Oscar Rivas (26-0, 18 KOs), a Colombian heavyweight contender Top Rank promotes. Former WBO champion Joseph Parker (25-2, 19 KOs), whose promoter, David Higgins, has reached out this week to Top Rank regarding the New Zealand native’s willingness to fight Fury next, is a possibility, too.

Top Rank also has a co-promotional agreement with Bulgaria’s Kubrat Pulev (26-1, 13 KOs). Pulev is the IBF’s No. 1 challenger for Anthony Joshua, however, and Top Rank apparently plans to guide him into position for a purse bid for that fight if Pulev wins a March 23 bout against Romania’s Bogdan Dinu (18-1, 14 KOs) in Costa Mesa, California.

Regardless, Fury now must pay two promoters, not one, out of however much he’ll make for lesser fights. There’s obviously also the possibility he could lose one of those fights and ruin the momentum the rematch has now.

The WBC’s impending purse bid for the Wilder-Fury rematch doesn’t figure to make an impact in this mess, either.

“It doesn’t factor into it at all,” Arum told Idec on Monday. “The WBC wants the fight to happen. Good luck to them.”
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Ridiculous yet predictable

fighter86 · Feb 23, 2019

DUCK, DUCK ,GOOSE

Gennady · Feb 23, 2019

This is why boxing is dead

The top fighters refuse to fight with each other in EVERY weight division

rayhogan · Feb 23, 2019

I knew this will happen thanks to the very old stubborn Bob Arum. Wilder vs Fury was very close of happening until arum came in the picture and ruined it. Damn you Arum.

Charlie Stewart · Feb 23, 2019

Why blame arum? Fury clearly doesnt fancy the rematch.

drenlou · Feb 23, 2019

I doubt the rematch happens next. Anytime arum is involved in a big fight, he finds a way to not make it happen.

surreal deal · Feb 23, 2019

LANCE99 said: ↑

Arum is the bad guy here? No one is forcing Fury to do anything.
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Oh come on Lance; an octogenarian (late 80's too) coffin dodger stepping in to disrupt the developing momentum of the HW division?! Why bother,,,how rich do you have to be in your dying days? How mean spirited and spoil sport minded to the fans, Industry and sport that made you incredibly wealthy (beyond Lawyer rich) ---when you're well past the point where rattling cages and upsetting apple carts (forgive mixed metaphors) actually matters? It's unnecessary and a slap in the face to his (personally) moneymaking industry. Hope he haunts you Dickensian style *they've edited out the first 4 letters of the great Victorian writer I was referring to. Jeezus. Me and my great expectations eh? Anyway you know what/who I meant (philistines)

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