Fury was never that good.

you sure? Maybe casuals thought Wilder was good.

I distinctly remember most boxing fans have been calling him useless for years before he ever fought Fury.

 

In a fair world, he gets the nod over Wilder in their first fight but in that alternative fair universe he also has losses to McDermott and Wallin. He would now be sitting as 33-4 with 24 knockouts.

 

no he was ducking David Price.

 

Arguably lost to Ngannou as well. He was really pathetic in that fight against a complete novice pro boxer.

 

I completely forgot about the Ngannou fight.. he’d potentially be 33-5 then. Fury made history with the win over Klitschko but that was a very short self destructive peak. An accomplished fighter, but far from any ATG conversations.

 

and nganou he lost.

 

Agree with all of this. One of these fighters who rose to occasions but lack of application, interest and discipline stopped him from being a genuine HW legend. To come out of his run of fights at 34-2-1 - and a quarter of a billion quid before tax - isn't bad.

 

Madness really. Furys been an incredible fighter up their with the best we,ve ever had tbh.

A man with bipolar who,s a bit all over the place....with that his legacy/cv,s/reign suffered and when it comes time to analyse that its probably fair to judge him harshly on it.

But no one can deny hes not been a gifted fighter and every bit as good as we,ve all thought over the years.

 

“only four men born from their mother’s **** can beat me” doesn’t have the same ring to it

 

I hate to break it to you but he is
Just olek is just dedicated on a different level

 

All I see is a lot of hindsight bias.

It would be good if someone could link the Wilder v Fury 1 prediction thread. I quickly tried to find it but couldn't, but I would hazard a guess it read similarly to the ESPN predictions, in that the general consensus was that Wilder would flatten him.

Only after the first fight did the people in general really start to acknowledge the flaws in Wilder, hence why Hearn was trying to make the Joshua fight in the immediate aftermath.

If you or anyone else predicted Fury would give him a boxing lesson and expose Wilder prior to the first fight, then fairplay but the the vast majority didn't otherwise it would have been the betting coup of the century.

 

What a load of nonsense. Wilder was mocked relentlessly on his way up due to his awful technique and diasgraceful match making like the video above. Dustin Nichols there wasn't a National level fighter, he wasn't even regional level. He was local car park level. That's the type of opponent Wilder feasted on for the first 4 years of his career and was rightfully called out on it at the time. Take someone like Moses Itauma on the other hand. He's brutualised Wach and McKean by big KO's already after only 11 fights. Those two would practically be among Wilder's top 10 wins.

Wilder vs Fury 1 only happened because it was a money making cherry pick gone wrong against an obese verison of Fury out of the ring for a few years because of mental health (cough, cough, serving a drug ban) and due to his shocking state looked the easiest money fight Wilder could make.

 

The klitschko version of fury was very good. The post come back version of fury was never the same. He looked awfull against pianetta, seferi etc.

The wilder fight was just a masterclass in marketting. Wilder was the most most overhyped bum of a long reigning champion that theres ever been. His record was full of tomato cans, the only decent fighter he beat was ortiz. The same ortiz that was both old and never beat anyone of note himself. The same ortiz that soundly had the beating of him in both fights untill he got clipped. What wilder did have was a ridculous 1 punch get out of jail card that got him past ortiz. But as a boxer he was utterly useless, not a single opponent had put it on him before fury because it was quite clear to beat wilder was easy, push him back and hit him dont stand off but everyone who fought him stood there petrified and didnt want to get close just stand at range waiting for him to launch the one missile.

So beating wilder overhyped fury to massive heights as was exposed against ngannou he was no where near usyks level. Wilder has gone on to show how garbage he was in subsequent fights when it became obvious all you have to do to beat him is hit him and pressure him. The whyte win was decent, i rated whyte at the time but he was like a deer in the headlights that night he never got started and was caught before the fight had really got going.

Fury has fought a very limited selection of heavyweights, i find it funny how we can rate these fighters as "the best in the world" etc when few of them fight enough styles to prove it. He never fought a bakole, dubois, AJ, povetkin, parker, zhange, joyce etc etc if he had fought another dozen top heavys he would have likely lost half of them. Hes has no punch power, if he had he could have possibly beaten usyk buy he couldnt hurt him. Hes chinny the only puncher he fought was wilder but luckily for him wilder had no setup and was a one trick pony. Against a heavy handed combination puncher in his prime like AJ he would have been flattened in no time.

Yes overhyped but so are most of them. Usyk is truly elite and up there with the very best but i dont think that means hes unbeatable either by the right fighter, chisora gave him his hardest night because he put the pressure on has a solid chin and can hit hard enough. Usyk didnt want to engage because he couldnt.

Its all about matchmaking, done correctly a fighter looks like an ATG, done badly and his record looks poor. Look at joyce he would have beaten fury easily, fury couldnt hurt him and joyce would have been relentless chopping him down. But he chose zhang who was all wrong for him defending with your face against a banger like that was madness which ended his career and now will be looked upon as way below fury. Its quite funny really.

 

So this substandard fighter has now gone 24 close rounds with a fighter many are calling an ATG? Usyk is Schrodinger's champion, simultaneously brilliant yet rubbish depending on the argument being made. It's ridiculous. Fury and Usyk are wonderful fighters, and they were both once much better than they are now

 

OK, I will bite, as I have more time on my hands today than I otherwise would have due to the Christmas break, so I had a quick scan through your posting history.

Still can't find the Wilder v Fury 1 prediction thread, though, but what I did see is that you called Wilder out in 2015, so kudos for that; this was just prior to you taking a FIVE-YEAR sabbatical from posting on the forum before returning to your back prolific posting ways in 2023 after a brief comeback in 2020-2021. I'm sure there is a story in there somewhere, hopefully it doesn't involve @TERRYTIBBS and Cheltenham.

People are too quick to label Wilder as another Jeff Lacy-type figure. He was a flawed fighter, yes, but still arguably the most devastating one-punch hitter in heavyweight history. This is all the more remarkable given that at his peak he weighed in around the same weight as Usyk, give or take 5-10 lbs.

Four times in three fights he had Fury on the canvas, three more than Usyk, and all but out of there in the first fight.

He took a devastating beatdown in the second and third fights with Fury, after which he was effectively done as a top-level fighter, given the damage taken, age, and inactivity, irrespective of his blowout victory against Helenius.

Meldrick Taylor after Chavez was never the same, despite moving up in weight and capturing another title belt, and Wilder put it all on the line in the third Fury fight, just like Taylor did.

To me, Wilder is just like Julian Jackson, and look how his career ended, but at his peak, just like with Jackson, you couldn't take your eye off him even for even a split second; just ask Luis Ortiz, who, like Herol Graham and Terry Norris, with Jackson, ****ed around and found out in a heartbeat.

Plus there is no disputing that before the first Fury fight, Wilder and Joshua were the top two in the division, and at the end of 2018, Ring Magazine had Wilder ranked at Three and Ortiz at Five, split by Dillian Whyte, with Joshua and Fury 1 and 2 respectively.

So hardly a bum, who boxed and beat no one.