Fury went from being the best heavyweight of the last 15 years...

He had monumental struggles up several weight classes from where he began. Fury has spent his career at HW in a pretty thin era.

 

Haha. Fine! World class chin! Or chins. Depends what year lol

 

No. He drew with some guy who was like 20-15 at middle, SD with another no name, and lots of other close shaves. Can’t be bothered looking

 

Most commentators have suggested Fury is operating at the level he was prior to his departure or at least very close to it.
Also, your comment about "a distraction" is not valid. Neither Fury nor Ali needed a "distraction" to get up. Both got up by themselves. Ali went on to win decisively and Fury drew.
It has also been proved that the split glove incident didn't actually afford Ali any more time. It is a popular myth that has been spread over the years that is not validated by fact.

 

If you think he's as good now as he was then I don't know what to say to you other than you must be a sucker for ESPN and everyone else who desperately need this version of Fury to be seen as pre all his issues so as not to tarnish the reputation of the sport's marquee division and lessen it's money generating potential.

Fury wasn't saved by a bell or given extra time to recover in between rounds. I hate Ali and Tyson nut huggers so much. Just look at the current crop through the same lens man.

 

Lol, that draw was when he was 22 years old. Tons of guys take early losses/draws. He wouldn't do anything other than win until Mike McCallum and Roy Jones Jr.

Hagler took a sketchy loss to Boogaloo Watts when he was 21. Avenged it 4 years later. Also took a loss to Willie Monroe around the same time that isn't on film. Avenged it twice over.

These guys were green. Tyson is anything but.

 

22 years old, the same age Tyson fury was when he first fought McDermott and got a ton of stick. Also his SDs, mds and tkos. Sometimes even UDs he looked like c.rap.

One bad performance, especially when you clearly win, is not such a huge deal.

 

Hate is a strong word to direct at someone who disagrees with your opinion.
There is also no reason to resort to vulgarity, we are both entitled to our opinion. As for Fury, I have no axe to grind at all. I thought he was an above average fighter before his departure and I think he is an above average fighter now.

 

If you're offended this much by that post then this might not be the forum for you pal.

 

I never mentioned being offended. I merely commented upon your recourse to vulgarity and apparent inability to understand opinions that are different from your own.

 

Tyson could very well be on the decline. The legs are the first things to go and his are what his game is built around.

Or he could have just fought a 6'7 southpaw who cut him. He did have some trouble with the southpaw left hand. That's the punch that cut him and got him to the body. I gave Wallin some rounds before Fury got urgent and turned into a head forward wrestler. Not to mention Wallin clearly having him hurt in the 12th. Hell, that could've been blood loss. Regardless, we won't know until somebody beats him. Hard to contextualize what a fight means unless you know what comes next.

In any case, I don't think Fury's reputation was made or broken by this one fight. Worst case scenario, he could decline from here and still be remembered for his size and quick twitch defensive skill. Remembered for dethroning Wlad. Remembered for his fight with Wilder, that that he probably should've won on the cards after making the craziest count the sport has ever seen. Hell of a run. Hell of a character. Maybe it's not over.

 

I think your rose tinted view of fighters of old and disrespect for the current by glossing over problems for the likes of Ali is a far bigger issue other than any perceived 'vulgarity' but there you go.

Sports fans who crap on the present whilst ignoring the problems of the past annoy me. You're obviously part of that tribe.

 

Personally deep in my heart I think he’s on the slide. No boxers prime is set in stone, 1 year can make a huge difference.

Hes on the slide, too light or wallin is a contender. One of these

 

How strange a generalisation to make. I made a single reference to a fighter in the past and a single one to a fighter in the present. On that basis alone you have decided I fall into a particular "tribe" that disparages the present generation and beautifies the previous generations.
The one in the past is considered by the vast majority of boxing experts to be the greatest heavyweight of all time. So I am not in a minority.
We do not know what will happen in the future...perhaps Fury will eclipse Ali's achievements and at which point I will happily accept that he is a truly great fighter for all generations. But that time is not yet.

 

This is a very poor post.

Firstly you picked a very specific period of time to judge Ali upon that conveniently fell within a time period in which he didn't have major issues. You then played down a several year absence from the ring for Fury due to serious issues that would hugely affect a professional athlete.

He's considered the greatest because of his impact on the sport not his h2h ability. The two are very different metrics. And at no point did I say Fury will surpass Ali's achievements, nor does he have to to be considered a great fighter which he may or may not be. I'm just not willing to crap on him because of a less than stellar performance against a previously untested opponent who still may go on to be better than we all thought.

I also wouldn't go in on Ali for some of his shakier performances but just ask for the same level of respect and logic to be shown to modern fighters in their off nights against unheralded opposition too.