Fury Wilder III Final Presser

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  1. Potato80

    Potato80 A potato Full Member

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    There's a popular belief nowadays called 'manifesting' or 'the law of attraction'. It suggests that if a person truly believes they'll have something, then 'the universe' will organise itself to give that something to said person.

    It's a popular belief system for people who would otherwise feel helpless, and for sport and music stars who have chosen the most reductive belief system possible to explain their success rather than the most obvious reasons (10% natural talent, 80% hard work, and 10% dumb f***ing luck).

    Wilder is a fan of this belief system and has spoken about it repeatedly.

    Fury is right - wilder doesn't actually believe this suit/glove/water nonsense; all he's doing is repeatedly saying a narrative because he thinks it'll give him power. Power to 'explain' a loss and power to propel him to avenge it.

    It's like having a little boy who dresses as batman or superman. Anyone with kids will know there's a stage where said boy 99% thinks he does have special powers when he wears his superman costume; he really wants to believe it.

    After all, if Wilder wins, then he won't care less what we think cos he's just re-written history.

    But he's not gonna. Cos Fury is simply a better boxer, with more natural gifts, who has worked harder, and makes his own luck.
     
  2. senpai

    senpai Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wilder is so limited.
     
  3. navigator

    navigator "Billy Graham? He's my man." banned Full Member

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    Well, the pseudoscience and ersatz spirituality enchants the lacking and drives their continued engagement with said sports or music star's brand to a degree that explaining success in plain honest terms (as in your parentheses) would not. Seems so many people are looking for some mystical hack to 'make it' and would tune out or unfollow if they were told they were just going to have to be talented, work their asses off and get lucky.


    And that's why it was about the most cutting line Fury could have delivered.



    Fine post.
     
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  4. kirk

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    I'm worried that Wilders eye for an eye theme for this fight has to do with cheating somehow.

    I hope that is completely off base, but it's the vibes I get from his responses about it, and given his obsession with the belief that Fury cheated him that night.

    Really hope he's not planning some sort of cheating or any other thuggery for or after the fight.

    .....

    I am also worried how he is going to handle this loss. Its obvious he doesn't cope with losing well, and his delusions warp reality to make this bigger than a fight (not entirely uncommon in boxing). His worldview is likely to come crashing down around him once again on saturday... and the psychological aftermath may not be pretty.

    .......

    Whats up with Wilder and always having people from his entourage around him. The guys behind him looked stupid standing there.
    .......

    I was semi surprised to see it was Fury that appeared a bit worked up near the end, while it was Wilder that was cool calm and collected, while bringing up the fact that Tyson is indeed a proven cheater.

    .....

    Not often I'm as excited for a fight and dreading it at the same time.

    War Wilder
     
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  5. MrBarry465

    MrBarry465 Active Member Full Member

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    Fury's been listening to Wilder spout **** for the best part of a year about how he cheated him. It's the first time that Wilder has actually been drawn out to engage with him verbally. Of course Fury is going to het a rush of blood to the head/ Wilder is an annoying little *****, Shane Fury said it best.
     
  6. Caliboxing

    Caliboxing Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Knock Wilder if you must, but leave the laws of the universe out. Belief & visualization are tremendously important but not at the expense of perfecting your craft.
     
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  7. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    It's extremely narcissistic to believe that "the universe" cares about what happens to any individual one way or another but that fits Wilder to a tee. It's sounds reminiscent of his "speak it, believe it, receive it" mantra but Wilder found out the hard way that there are physical limits in the universe that no amount of positive thinking can transcend. His narcissistic and megalomaniacal complexes resulted in him trying to delude himself into believing that he had not simply been beaten by the better boxer and the superior athlete but he'd in fact been cheated by various malevolent forces. I do not believe that it's possible for Wilder to be this delusional though, at least on a subconscious level and Fury made a very good point by asking Wilder why he has trained differently and more intensely for the trilogy if it were simply a matter of being cheated. Wilder of course was too simple-minded and irrational to have any kind of coherent answer.

    I think you overstate the effects of hard work and understate the influence of natural talent though. Wilder has tremendous physical (speed, power, length, toughness) and (broadly speaking) psychological gifts that have enabled him to be massively successful as a fighter. Even a predisposition toward industriousness is a natural gift in itself.
     
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  8. kirk

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    Meh.... Everyone always has excuses and reasons behind their behavior. At the end of the day though it was Wilder that was the calm one and Fury that was worked up.

    Absolutely no doubt had it been the other way around this forum would be saying look how rattled Wilder is and that Furys in his head.

    Its all meaningless anyways.
     
  9. MrBarry465

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    My take on it is Wilder is a shadow of his former self, look at him in literally all the other press conferences.

    He also tried very hard to not engage with Fury, but you can literally see the moment he snaps when Fury raises the point about why he would 'change trainers' and 'train harder than he ever has', if Fury cheated?

    It's all meaningless I agree as Fury is going to run through him like a train. But it's good to see Fury pissed off.
     
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  10. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    She was bias as hell, cut off Fury multiple times, and knew the agreement was NO face off. Grossly unprofessional.
     
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  13. MrBarry465

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    Not that it should come as a surprise considering the calbire of the man, but I found Wilders point about 'Fury changing trainers' utterly ******ed. Fury was asking Wilder why he would change trainers and do all this extra training if 'Fury just cheated', but then Wilder came back with 'Well why did you change trainers after the first fight?'.

    Which was simply because Fury believed he needed to knock Wilder out and improve on the first fight.
     
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  14. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Yeah but The Tuscaloser needs that stacked deck, home advantage, home judges, home refs, and heavily biased hosts to throw him softballs and to entertain his pathetic excuses and fantastical conspiracy theories that made him and his repulsive fanbase the laughing stock of the worldwide boxing community and he wouldn't dare do once what Fury is doing for the third time.
     
  15. MrBarry465

    MrBarry465 Active Member Full Member

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    Still not clear to me why Fury didn't just have the fight on home soil?

    Is it contractual?
     
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